6 Enlightened Ideas Brought to You by Evil Empires
If history teaches us anything, it's that it's way harder to pick out the good guys from the bad guys than the movies would lead us to believe.
In fact, some of history's most face-blastingly savage regimes came up with some shockingly progressive innovations in health, human rights and, well, everything else.

We put this on the list at great risk to our future political careers. You really can't say anything good about the Nazis without it getting taken out of context in a campaign ad, and obviously pointing out that, say, Hitler's soldiers were well-groomed doesn't excuse their many, many, many atrocities.
So nothing we're about to say about the Nazis makes us feel even the slightest bit bad about slaughtering them in one video game after another.

Your dapper Mechsuit won't save you this time, Hitler.
And Yet...
They were the first to point out that, hey, tobacco kills people.
Although Adolf Hitler had a 25-cigarettes-a-day habit early in life, he eventually came to find the addiction disgusting. Especially once German scientists discovered the link between tobacco and lung cancer, at which point the Fuhrer initiated the first anti-smoking campaign in modern history, and the most successful one throughout WWII.

And yeah, of course the motivation for the campaign was bizarrely linked to racial purity, because they were, after all, the Nazis. But what really mattered was that they were the first to link smoking during pregnancy with stillbirths and miscarriages, and went so far as to ban tobacco ration cards for pregnant women and Nazi ladies under the age of 25, just in case they got knocked up with Aryan spawn.
The Nazis were also the ones who coined the phrase "passive smoking" and outlawed smoking in Nazi offices, schools, buses and trains. And they actually restricted tobacco advertisements in 1941, almost 30 whole years before America bothered to do the same.

Score one for the Nazis.

Before Cortes and his poxified Spanish troops infested the Americas, the Aztecs were the reigning lords of central Mexico. With an empire spanning the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean, and a capital city supporting at least 200,000 inhabitants, no can argue that the Aztecs didn't have their business together.

Fancy business.
Unfortunately, a big part of their "business" involved their religion, which had a few snags in it for junior Aztecs. Snags like worshiping gods who drank baby blood like water, and required ritualistic child sacrifices for every little heavenly favor, like rain, successful harvests or their continuing existence. So, yeah, the Aztecs rolled like that.

Also, cannibalism.
And Yet...
The Aztecs' non-sacrificed kids were beneficiaries of the world's first mandatory education.
The same guys who ate their babies in exchange for rain also went to great lengths to educate the undigested kids. And unlike most civilizations of the time, they weren't just interested in smartening up the rich boys. In fact, the Aztecs were arguably the first in the world to require all of their living children to go to school.

Aztec High graduation ceremony, Class of 1440 . GOOOOO JAGUARS!
Aztec kids were homeschooled until their teens under the close supervision of their local Principal Skinner. While at home they were required to memorize nuggets of Aztec wisdom, presumably little proverbs that didn't apologize for the slaying of childhood playmates. From there, they could either attend a school to study the liberal arts and agriculture, or another to study government, medicine and the fine arts.
Also, just to be on the safe side, they were taught how to kill people. And probably how to eat their still beating hearts.


The Mongolian empire was so hardcore that the entire 13th and 14th centuries are actually referred to as "The Age of the Mongols." Yes, TWO WHOLE CENTURIES claimed by the mofos who took over Eurasia like a swarm of people-killing locusts.
Experts estimate that the Mongols were singularly responsible for the deaths of between 30,000,000 and 100,000,000 people across Asia, Europe and the Middle East, a feat that is only rivaled by the deaths resulting from the entire second World War.

And if Ghengis' alcoholic son hadn't died an early gin-soaked death, the entire continent of Europe might have gotten the "Mongol Special" as well.
And Yet...
Women were the ones pulling the strings at home.
You know the idea that if women ruled the world, there would be no wars? Bullshit. One of the most violent civilizations in the history of the universe gave extraordinary privileges to its women, and look at where it got them.

Seriously, look.
Ghengis Khan's mother was one of his main advisers, and he let his wives help him choose his successor. And the only reason why the Mongolian army was so ferocious in the first place was that women were allowed to run the show back home so the men could make fighting their full time jobs.
Mongolettes could own property, divorce and even remarry. And while their female Persian neighbors were wrapped up in burqas and their Chinese subjects were deforming their feet as signs of subjugation, Mongol women were free to train for the military if so inclined. Which means that there were probably Lady Mongols out there killing men, children and the unborn as well.

I will kill your younglings.
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interesting article, but seriously. There's no such thing as a good or evil empire. Take Nazi Germany. Evil, right? killed a lot of people, attempted genocide, like they were run by the devil. Well, despite being an a*****e, Hitler was a good ruler. He completely rebuilt Germany from the dump it was after WWI, and if he didn't try and attack Russia, chances are he would have won. At which point we'd all be hailing him like he were God for saving the world from the evil French, English, and American that were conspiring to build a death star, or something. Same with any other empire. Mongols are evil? Well Ghengis managed to unite the hostile tribes or Mongolia. Not to mention that most of the modern countries we know only exits cause of him. China used to be a loose collection of individual empires, then they united to combat the Mongols. Now we have China. And that's what happened with all the empires in this article. They weren't necessarily evil (the Nazis where close, what with the genocide), they just lost
Reply Hide All See All 6 RepliesAgreed, it's all really about perspective, there isn't a clear good/evil especially in historical situations like the ones here.
What people need to remember is the winners write history. He's right about hailing him like God for saving the world from the French, English, and American. When people write history, they make it look like the other person was the bad guy so that everyone doesn't think "Hey, these guys had the right idea. Let's try it again." Yeah, the genocide was pretty bad, but you have to remember most people, including Nazi soldiers who didn't have anything to do with the camps, didn't know about it until the war was over. All they knew is the Jews and other undesirables were being taken away from normal society.
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Mongols raped the s**t out of all the women they came across and murdered innocent people by the truckloads.
If that aint evil I don't know what is
^So has every empire ever. The Greeks took slaves/sex toys, in the middle of a battle! At least the Mongols waited till everyone was dead so they wouldn't see their family being raped while the men try to defend their home town. The Japanese raped women with just as much proficiency (every single women got raped and killed) the Mongols did, but they did it just last century. I could go on, but the point is, show me one empire that hasn't done something evil. The closest would be the Persians, since they actually waged wars for the sole purpose of liberating peoples completely unrelated to them (see: Babylonian Captivity.)
u guys missed out how the Nazis installed the "good samaritan law" in WW2 France, if you see someone in need of help you are legaly obliged to help them, and i belive its still in effect
ReplyThe Scythians also had women in their armies to the extent that a woman had to kill in battle before being allowed to marry according to Herodotus and archaeological evidence backs that point up at least in part and at the very least was where the Greeks got their stories about Amazons from.
ReplyYeah, I've heard the same about the Sarmations. Their women had to kill in battle before being allowed to wed. There's even some evidence being sound now to suggest that the historical origins of the 'Amazon' myths eventually left Greece and settled with the Sarmation tribes around the Ural Mountains/Ural sea. I read a thesis once that made some pretty compelling links between primary horse cultures (Sarmations, Scythians, Celts, Mongols etc) and gender equality (ie: the position of women in society)
In Persia by the way women held office and owned property. Herodotus who wrote the NOVEL on which 300 is based lived and wrote in Persia where he could be free. Not in the slave owning city of Sparta.
Replyok now you got one of those WAY f*****g wrong. The Persians were the original enlightened empire and the constitution of the United States is based on the government of Cyrus the Great of Persia. The Spartans were the terrorists of the ancient world and Darius was not attacking Greece but responding to his own 9/11 where a Persian city had been attacked without warning and burned to the ground with the entire population inside. Thermopylae was in response to a vicious attack. but when the bad guys win they write the history
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesThank you so goddam much. The movie really bothered me when it skipped all that BS the Spartans did.
Oh good. In your desire to compensate for a pro-Greek bias you have gone way too far in the other direction. And the city that was burnt down? Part of a revolt... instigated by a Persian. And financed with help from Athens. A city where people also owned slaves. It's really not just a good guy/bad guy scenario.
Read The Histories. It's not that it was good vs. bad. The two had been going at it since before it was actually the Achaemenid, back when the Persian were under Median rule. It started off with kidnappings (according to Herodotus,kidnappings by the Pheonecians, actually), and when Cyrus conquered the Medes and Lydians, he turned to Ionia in Southern Anatolia. The war was the result of a feud spanning centuries, not just an evil guy vs. bad guy war. It actually had nothing to do with the Persians or Greeks being evil (although in the sense of human rights, the Greeks were way worse).
Akkadian empire...mentioned in the scorpion king
ReplyDarius also built a canal to allow Mediterranean traders access to the Eastern trading routes (India, China) which is basically the Suez Canal
Replygenerally the moral of the story is that with everything bad, good coincides with it.
Replywell that is if you look at it logically, not morally
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This article has a very limited understanding of the word "evil". The Mongolians were not "evil". In fact, they were the main reason trade between Europe and Asia existed. What, they're "evil" because they killed a few towns and pillaged a few people? How many times has countless other empires done that in the name of their own homeland?
Reply Hide All See All 7 RepliesAnd I still dislike the idea of passing something off as "evil" just because it's a different ideology, and yes I'm talking about the USSR. I know it's awesome to say that communism is bad and that capitalism is good, and that my typing that has permanently put me on an FBI watch list, but Communism is just as valid a form of government as Capitalism. It's only wrong because it's not OUR form of government, which, not too surprising, is often times what determines a group of people to be "evil".
finally someone who isn't idiotic to their own countries ideas
Congrats on not being an asshole! You people are like snowflakes on the unrelenting summer that is the internet.
Capitalism is an economic system, not a form of government.
thank you for stating it. Communism is only "bad", b/c every time anyone has attempted to implement it, it has ended badly, with brutal dictatorial rulers. If you think about it, Marxism (what communism is, in essence) is quite good.
good in theory, not practice. humans just dont work that way. and the mongols could be considered "evil" because of the sheer number of people they killed
you mean the mongols making a pyramid of human heads? or them purposefully spreading the black plague just to conquer? ya, naw they weren't evil, they were just willing to ignore morality to accomplish a specific goal...
I'm just gonna assume you're American/Canadian, so good job purposefully spreading small pox just to conquer.ya, naw they weren't evil, they were just willing to ignore morality to accomplish a specific goal...
the Nazis also invented regularly broadcast tv programs. the Persians invented the handshake.
Replybut any nation who increases its wealth and territory at the expense of others is always evil.
So that would exclude, perhaps, Monaco? Is that you Bertie?
"Aztec High graduation ceremony, Class of 1440. GOOOOO JAGUARS!"
ReplyHahahaha! That was gold!
In my country, the most corrupt leader we had also made the best infrastructure that's still being used today while the "good" ones always manage to screw up the economy.
Replysucks that Greece has invaded every aspect of our pop culture from children books to block busters while Persia just has the prince of Persia games and the stuff that spawned
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesAlso that little thing called democracy eh?
Chuckinator must be Canadian eh?
Athens wasnt actually that democratic since only around 10% of men could vote and no women could. Additionally most of the rest of Greece consisted of monarchies.
And the prince of persia is all Arabis culture (old games) Or mostly Indian/assyrian culture (new ones)
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On the Mongol one... Hobbes did later say that we are all equal because we're equally cabable of killing each other.
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