5 Reasons The Terminator Franchise Makes No Goddamn Sense
With the release of Terminator Salvation (aka Terminator With Batman and Transformers!) we'd like to take a closer look at the franchise that has explored such pressing issues as our dependence on machines, what it means to be human and how utterly incredible it would be if Robert Patrick could turn his arm into a fucking knife.
However, in our exploration of this series, we have come across a few gaps in logic, which we felt compelled to share with you. Why? Because we don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and we absolutely will not stop, ever, until every movie you have ever loved is ruined.

If you've found your way to this article, odds are you remember The Terminator, but let's refresh some key plot points. In the mysterious and distant future--1997, to be exact--Skynet, a highly-advanced artificial intelligence, is introduced to the world. Humans decide to hand over all military control to this system because in the Terminator universe the people have not seen The Terminator.
Decades later, the humans are at war with the robots and a brave warrior named John Connor takes charge and turns the tide. The machines strike back by sending the Governor of California back to the 80s to kill Connor's mom before he's born. The humans send Michael Biehn back to protect her.

Along the way, he makes it part of his mission to protect her vagina from not having his penis in it. And that, readers, is where everything in the space-time continuum gets "iffy."
As it turns out, when Michael Biehn and Linda Hamilton sleep together, they conceive John Connor. And, as we learn in Terminator 2: Judgment Day, when the Terminator is destroyed in the first film, the microchip in its skull survives, falls into the hands of computer company Cyberdyne Systems, and allows for the creation of Skynet in the first place.
Therefore, the only reason either John Connor or the machines exist is because the Terminator went back in time, and the only reason the Terminator went back in time is because the machines and John Connor exist. Get it?

"I have to protect your unborn child, but first let's go ahead and get you pregnant."
Oh, and John Connor and our heroes spend the last act of the second movie trying to prevent said war, meaning John Connor is trying to prevent his own existence, by eliminating the reason for his dad to travel back in time to conceive him. And, if he does prevent his own existence, well, he certainly won't be around to prevent the war thus prevent his existence and...
Well, you get the idea.

So, we've established that the first Terminator failed and was in fact killed by a waitress. Consider how embarrassing that must have been for it.
But neither Skynet or Hollywood give up on good ideas, they merely try them again when the technology improves. Hence Terminator 2, in which a highly-advanced liquid metal Terminator is sent back again, only this time it's the 90s and the target, being young John Connor, can barely tie his shoes.

Luckily, the original T-800, his balls now safely removed, is sent back to protect John after being reprogrammed by him in the future. They meet up with Linda Hamilton and once again, our heroes thwart the bad guy, despite his obvious technological advantage. Did we mention he can turn his arm into a knife? C'mon.
The third time around, Skynet throws a little something called the T-X John Connor's way.
The T-X has a liquid metal substance for skin, futuristic weapons built into its endoskeleton, and can make its breasts grow at will. Yet, once again an outdated T-800, Nick Stahl and Claire Danes defeat this wonderful creation. Is your disbelief still suspended?

If so, answer this for us: Can't Skynet just keep on trying until it gets John Connor?
We highly doubt that the time machine has an "only three assassination attempts per user" rule. And anyway, why do they keep on trying to attack John Connor at different periods in his existence anyway? Couldn't they send the T-X back to the 80s to deal with Linda Hamilton again?
Or even earlier? After all, why lose the element of surprise by traveling to a time when the targets know what they're up against? It'd make a lot more sense to send the Terminators to earlier in the character's lives, when they were still oblivious to the threat. Get Sarah Connor as an infant, damnit. Hell, even if it was just one day earlier than the first movie, it would still make all the difference in the world.
Honestly, who programmed this shit?

The Terminator series really only establishes two rules for its futuristic technology:
1. The robots cannot show emotion;
2. The time machine can't transport non-living matter.
First, the emotion thing. This one seems pretty easy to nail down, right (they're fucking robots)? And it's stated right in the second movie when Arnold says, "I know now why you cry, but it's something I can never do" (though some students of the franchise speculate that was just Schwarzenegger thinking out loud on the set and the microphone happened to be on).
So why then, at the end of that very film, does the T-1000 give us the world's greatest "oh shit" face just moments before his destruction:

Pictured: The clinical, calm detachment of a robot.
And he's not the only one. When the T-X discovers that she is on the trail of her main target John Connor, she displays an odd mix of excitement and what appears to be arousal, because hunting down the savior of mankind must be so damn hot.

Come on, lady, your one job in this movie was to not act.
And then there's the non-living matter time machine issue. As Kyle Reese explains in the first film, no advanced weaponry can be brought back from the future because the time machine can only transmit living tissue. That's why we had to tolerate naked Schwarzenegger ass for two films before somebody finally remembered to put a hot woman in the role.
Now, technically, the first Terminator is a machine with living tissue layered over its endoskeleton, so it gets a pass, we guess. Enter the T-1000, the second film's liquid metal Terminator that can take nearly any shape and recover from nearly any wound. Oh, and it can turn its arm into a knife.
The problem is, this Terminator is composed entirely of liquid metal. No living tissue, no flesh, just 100% mimetic-poly alloy (thank you, James Cameron). That means, according to the rules clearly established in the first movie, it cannot travel back in time.

But, it does. Same goes for the T-X in the third movie. That Terminator is liquid metal on top of a heavily armored endoskeleton. It shouldn't be able to venture to the past either.
Now, the whole point of adding that rule in the first movie was that it closed the "why don't they just send back a nuclear bomb?" plot hole. Fine. But just to further piss all over that logic, we find out in the third film that, in fact, the T-800 has the equivalent of little nukes stored in its abdomen. That's how he ultimately defeats the lady Terminator. So... why didn't he use those against Sarah Connor in the first movie?








Actually the paradoxes actually make sense. This is how time travel would work if it existed (check also Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban and 12 Monkeys). The problem is that they cannot change the past as they believe. If the machines had actually managed to go back to the past and killed Sarah Connor, there would be no John Connor in the (future) present to incite them to do so, which means their attempt will obviously fail (as it does fail in Terminator 1). The humans clearly don't know that either, but it sounds like they don't know much about the machine anyway.
ReplyWhat I think is weird is that Sarah probably told John that his father was someone from the future so when John heard that the Terminator had been sent back in time to kill his mother not only did he know that he would fail (as his mother probably told him) but that he had to send his father and that HE would be successful.
But all the other plotholes are indeed horrible
Sending the Terminator back a day before T1 took place wouldn't change things terribly; the resistance would just send their protector a day earlier as well.
ReplyI thought Kyle going back through time to protect and impregnate Sarah so she could give birth to John who would later know to send him back through time to do it was more of a closed loop, not a paradox? Kyle clearly said John gave him a picture of Sarah once but he never knew why at the time. He had to send him back to prevent the paradox from happening. In fact, T1 made perfect sense until T2 had to come along and save the future by changing it, nevermind that by changing the future, you wipe out everything that happens from T1 to that point they destroyed the microchip in the melting pot. John would likely never be and no one remembers a thing.
ReplyThis is why I give T3 a lot of latitude because it took the story back to where it logically has to go in order to right the ship so to speak and also, for having the balls to have the bombs go off at the end. If only Salvation hadn't been taken over by ol' growly voice Bale and forced a rewrite with Nolan's brother doing the re-writing, we would've gotten a good Terminator future movie. That's why all the scenes of Bale as Connor suck or are useless to the overall story as he wasn't supposed to show up until the end. T4 was Sam Worthington's and Anton Yelchin's show.
Tho' it is hilarious that the superadvanced models (T-100, TX) gets beat up by the inferior T800 model. Skynet was trying too hard maybe?
In Salvation, Bale was a terminator and he didn't know it. But John Connor should have known that terminators can disguise themselves as humans and should have also known that to detect these invisible threats, he needs dogs. Dogs always barked at the terminators... "Is Wolfie OK?"
So in Salvation, there should have been dogs at the human resistance base. Dogs that would have barked at Bale and given away the fact that he's a robot, preventing pretty much the whole movie.
I thought it was odd that there was no dogs.
Quantum
Reply"why didn't he use those against Sarah Connor in the first movie?"
ReplyThe use of such a tactic my have been above its "pay" or better yet "programming" grade. It probably would have come to that conclusion had it had more exposure to humans. The thing had trouble just deciding how much of an a*****e to be to someone.
"Or even earlier? After all, why lose the element of surprise by traveling to a time when the targets know what they're up against?"
Constraints, maybe skynet didn't have enough energy to send those things that far back. I think I remember Kyle saying something about humans winning and skynet was boned.
"So why then, at the end of that very film, does the T-1000 give us the world's greatest "oh shit" face just moments before his destruction"
It seems like every terminator depicted seems to have personality (mostly primitively negative) rather or not they have been reprogrammed, rebooted or whatever.
"The problem is, this Terminator is composed entirely of liquid metal. No living tissue, no flesh, just 100% mimetic-poly alloy"
Mimetic-poly alloy be metal, it seems to mock genuine flesh pretty well... So well in fact that it gets a pass.
seriously? loser.
Summer Glau is entirely sufficient justification for any show, Sarah Connor Chronicles included.
Replyits not mimetic poly alloy
Replyarnold says the t 1000 is a mimic poly alloy not mimetic if you turn the subtitles on it clearly says a mimic poly alloy
trollan troll is trolling.
mimetic means to imitate. The 'poly alloy' 'remembers' what it samples through direct contact. Penes sizes and all.
Who cares, the words have identical meanings in this context. In fact, "mimetic" makes more grammatical sense.
there is no loopholes. go watch the motion picture show triangle. it explains everything.
Replynice find!
I watch for the robot fighting. Anything else needed? Nope.
ReplyThere's better stuff out there for that purpose.
But it's still a niche market. For example zombies. I don't have a zombie movie. So I'm watching walking dead.
Just think about that for a second
The part about Kyle Reese being John Conner's father always bothered me, you know, the whole paradox thing (how can Kyle be John's father if he's from the future, it's like the chicken and the egg thing without there ever being a rooster). Then last week I watched all three movies because they happened to be on, and I was too lazy to do anything else or even bother to change the channel, and that's when I stumbled upon a simple explanation. The John Conner that is birthed by Sarah Conner and Kyle Reese, is not the same John Conner that saved the resistance and gave Skynet all those headaches. Sure he has the same name and he thinks he's the great insurgent leader that all the conservatives in the skynet camp want terminated, but he only knows this because his mother told him so.
ReplyIn the first timeline, the original John Conner would have had a normal childhood with a normal mother, and probably a normal father. Then J-Day comes, and John turns out to be a master tactician and a prodigy of a guerrilla fighter. Just as he defeats skynet, the machines send back a terminator and John sends back a soldier... who has sex with his mother and gives birth to a totally different John Conner. Sarah, thinking THIS is the great resistance leader ends up not bothering to hook up with the original guy who was the original father to the original John Conner, whom she might have hooked up with had Kyle not done the deed.
Good job Kyle, you just wiped out the greatest and most important leader in humanity's past and future history, who was born to put fear in the cold hearts of the machines and replaced him with a whiny kid who grows up to be a man who only manages to put fear into the hearts of camera operators.
funny theory but wrong
the entire point of a pardox is that it simply doesnt make sense.
the entire point of the movies is that once something happenes it can not be stoped it can only be altered or slowed down.
once judgement day happened it was set in place you cant stop it.
you can only change small details such as when it takes place
when john sent kyle reece back in time kyle ended up banging her and she got pregnant
we can agree on that
but the entire thing about time is if you change it
say you travel back in time shoot hitler in the head
before he was even known you would have altered the entire course of history since then
so essentially you would have never known who he was
so going by that logic once you push return on your time travel devise you would be back in your time with no memory of hitler and therefore time would revert back to its normal time span
ie hitler would have still done the holocaust
that being said the entire point of the movie is no matter what judgement day will happen and no matter what john connor will be born and no matter what he will survive
even if kyle reece dies before he meets sarah she will still survive and get pregnant and have john connor who will survive judement day and still send kyle reece back in time starting the entire paradox all over again
no a better explanation is that time travel is not possible.
Terminator 2 is a pretty badass movie though *nods*
ReplySend a Terminator back to the 'Sixties, when Sarah Connor is a little girl, and her hot Mom and Ad Executive dad have to save her. Mad Men meets The Invaders, with an ironic modern sensibility. I'd watch that show!
ReplyBetter yet, have it happen in the 50's.
And in the town of Twin Peaks (hey, at least people wouldn't even bother to think about what the fuck's going on).
you know skynet is supposed to be super smart but i could come up with a better way of killing john connor like send the same robot back intime have him get close to sarah connor and then detinate his nuclear battery thingy and bam skynet wins
what i never understood is why the machines didn't just send someone back to when john connor was being held in the camps? its not like they didn't have him at their mercy there or anything. why the elaborate plot, not just once but three separate times?
ReplyWhat a lot of people don't know about is the Terminator Show at Universal studios, where they, and I kid you not, present a short film staring the original cast going FORWARD in time and killing off Cyberdyne completely. I remember seeing it when I was about 16 and getting kind of pissed that I had payed to see Terminator 3 and 4 afte finding out that everything had already been solved.
ReplyWell Terminator 3 might have totally sucked but this article is inaccurate. In Terminator 3 Arnie played the role of a T-850, a slightly upgraded version.
Replyright - thus the secondary battery pack and the ability to use it as an offensive weapon blah blah blah balh
whatever
they actually established in the first film that the time travel machine was "smashed" after Kyle and Arnold were sent back in time. But I guess know body remembers this.
ReplyI always thought number 2 would've been a lot better if right after they blew up the Cyberdine building, john and both terminators just disappeared and Sarah was left there alone with no memory of why she had just blown up the building she was being arrested for destroying.
ReplyBut if that happened, skynet would've never existed and no terminators would have been sent back in time making it so the events in the movies never happened giving her no reason to blow up the building in the first place which she obviously then shouldn't. So she wouldn't be arrested for doing something that never happened.
Simple rule of time travel. It does nothing but create plot holes and the more you try to fill them up, the more holes you dig.
This article points out why I wish the 2nd hadn't been made, but why I'm also not so harsh on the 3rd, because the damage had been done.
ReplyYou seriously wish that the world never experienced the wonder that was T2?
the way to make sense of the terminator franchis is to watch terminator 1 and 2 and enjoy them. and then when anyone mentions terminator 3, terminator salvation or the sarah conner chronicles to just jam your fingers in your ears and shout la la la at the top of your voice.
Replypretty much what i do. though salvation had a few good action scenes..
#5 is a causality paradox, and #2 is Multiverse Theory. The rest really don't make any damn sense at all.
Replyyou gots a purdy mouth college boy