5 Reasons Parenting Is One Place We Shouldn't Imitate China
If you see a parent at the mall calling their toddler an asshole and breaking his toys, you can thank China.
If you believe the news, China is already like a step or two from world domination and is only getting stronger, thanks to an educational and economic system that apparently makes ours look like turds. Or as the New York Times put it: "... the long-run competitive challenge we Americans face from China will have less to do with its skylines, army or industry than with its Super Kids."
Yes, "Super Kids." China is breeding a nation of math and science whizzes that know no pity nor love, and they will dominate the future. This has led to a new parenting fad in the U.S. that involves treating your children the way the Chinese supposedly treat theirs: by relentlessly pushing for greater and greater success, and brutally punishing anything less.
We might be jumping the gun here, considering ...

An author named Amy Chua, an American-born Chinese mom, has ignited a media firestorm with her guide on mothering the Chinese way (her book was titled Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother, probably after her publishers told her Enter The Dragon Lady was a bit over the top). The method Chua trumpets with such relish involves a number of basic tenets (and I should point out here that with my background, I've lived through some of this from the kid end):
* Extreme negative reinforcement.
Chua allegedly threatened to burn her daughter's stuffed animals if she didn't practice. She called her daughter "garbage", which in my experience is fairly tame. Sometimes hitting is involved. This doesn't do any wonders for your mental health but it does teach you that piano or math or whatever is fucking serious business.

How could it not be?
* No positive reinforcement.
There's a couple of reasons for this, but the basic idea is that you get yelled at for bringing home an A, A-, B+, and whatever grades come after that (I wasn't allowed to get them), but if you bring home an A+, your reward is basically no yelling. No "Good job," or even "That'll do, pig."

* Ridiculous hours of study/practice.
I've tutored fifth graders whose parents had them enrolled in classes from the moment they woke up until tuck-in time, because American school days are clearly too short and intended for lazy people. That's Chinese immigrants carrying on the same learning model as in China, where kids spend an average of 8.6 hours a day in school and only 4 in 10 have friends to play with. Yes, the crazed "isolated loner" kid in the USA would be commonplace there.
It seems like the basic mistake is the assumption that this is the only way to get achievement out of your kids. If I can again use myself as an example, I stereotypically learned algebra on the side in 4th grade, and I liked it (I was pretty crap at it, but I liked it). And I did it, not because of a string of screamed Chinese insults, but rather because my dad, the "cool," non-yelling parent, taught me. I was proud that he thought I was smart enough to learn algebra so young, even though I couldn't even pronounce it right ("a-LEG-bra." Come on, I was 9).
Not only did he avoid the mistake of browbeating me into it until I hated it, but also the other mistake of thinking, "We shouldn't ask too much of her." Dad treated me like I was great, and also like I could do better, and the result was a kid that liked algebra.

Also known as a nerd.
In other words ...

A lot of people are framing the debate in a completely wrong way, asking the question, "Should we be accepting of our kids the way they are, or should we push them hard to succeed?" If we push them hard, the reasoning goes, they'll succeed academically, but become psychologically scarred zombies. If we accept and nurture them, they'll be happy, but stupid (compared to the Chinese anyway).

But isn't it obvious that giving your child approval and encouraging your child to improve are two separate things? One doesn't have to come at the expense of the other, any more than you have to choose between diet or exercise when losing weight. You could (and probably should) do both, or could be a lazy ass and do neither.

Nobody has the advantage here.
In the same way, you don't need to choose between telling your kid they're the most awesome kid in the world and encouraging them daily to get better. It's not that you don't think they're good enough already, but that you know they could be 10 times more awesome, and you don't want them to miss out on that. Setting the bar higher doesn't have to go hand-in-hand with screaming at them about where they're at now. It's not a war between "You're special the way you are," and "We need to get your ass in gear before we disown you."
Both Chinese parents and American parents have strengths and weaknesses, but you don't fix your weaknesses by picking up somebody else's not-even-related weaknesses. I can't cure my cancer by picking up somebody else's malaria. You can't fix your neglect of your children by throwing down ultimatums and calling them garbage. Those are two different problems, not two ends of a scale.

In China, being an asshole to your child comes from the concept that the worst thing that you can do is give your kid a big head, because he's going to get his bubble burst. It's not just fear of looking prideful, which is a big no-no in Chinese culture, and protecting your kid from disappointment, but also fear of complacency. This goes as far back as Confucius. 2,500 years, in other words.
So for 25 centuries the thinking has been, if you tell your kid he's good at math, he won't try to get better at math, because what's the point? You already told him he was good at it. He's clearly done! I've mentioned above why this is wrong, but as an additional example, have you ever known a kid to stop making new drawings after you've told them their first crappy drawing was great?

It never ends.
As kids, we want to do the things we're good at. Tell us we're good at art, and we'll make art. And thus we'll get practice at making art.
Chinese parents don't start out wanting to pop their kids' bubbles. They're human parents. They have instinctive urges to tell their kid they are the best kids ever, and that their stupid painting is a work of art, before they catch themselves realizing what a disastrous thing they almost said. The very thing that everyone around them tells them will ruin their child! Shit!

Praising kids excessively is like the bogeyman of the Chinese parent world. Pretty much nobody does it, so no one's ever seen what would actually happen, and all you get are scare stories about what will happen if you try, like, "I heard Mrs. Li's sister praised her kid too much one day and he dropped out of Harvard to become a hobo."
Chinese parents do love their kids, obviously, but have been told for centuries that they shouldn't use empty words to tell their kids so, and should instead put their money where their mouth is, literally. A traditional Chinese dad shows he loves his child by making a lot of money to support the kid, so an American-born child can be confused and hurt when her dad never says "I love you," or "Good job," and her Chinese-born father will be confused why his kid isn't touched when he volunteers for overtime. Moms also will show their love through their salary these days, as well as the traditional favorite, food.

"Try harder next time. Now eat these meatballs."








Loved the article. The American school system, if anything, should start taking cues from Japan/日本. After all, they're doing much better than us, and don't abuse their children to do so. Is it tougher than the American school system? Yes, but I know a sophomore chain smoker that isn't even at a third grade reading level, so perhaps the school system needs some improvements.
ReplyJust to jump to the defense of Amy Chua, part of her book is about how she came to reconsider traditional Chinese child-rearing after one of her daughters didn't take it well and started to rebel.
ReplySo? She's already traumatized her kids, and her "reconsidering" is still at abuse levels of insanity. She's a psychopath, and IMO, there should be a new Executive Order: Amy Chua is to have her children taken away and all members of her family currently living in the United States should be dropped on an abandoned island (besides for the kids) and her book should be used as an example of child abuse for trials.
the woman who wrote that book is somewhat of a hideous human being. using negativity, fear, and the threat of violence virtually 100% of the time essentially makes her a parental terrorist (yes americans, i used the T word. i went there). she is essentially the academic equivalent of a hardcore stage mum, who are also some of the most hideous human beings on earth.
ReplyAnd there's a reason 'former child actor' is synonymous with 'alcoholic wreck of a human being'. Or 'Michael Jackson'.
Wow, looks like American school organizations are taking a look at traditional Chinese schooling. I have 7.5 hour school days, 3 AP classes in 10th grade, I'm taking 6 AP classes next year, and all of my teachers love telling the class about how we need to work harder and get straight A's or we'll fail and become hobos.
ReplyIronically, my Mom has always been extremely supportive, telling me to just try my best and not get too stressed out. But I spend about 4 hours a day around my Mom, so it's not really helping...
Eh, who needs self-esteem anyway?
Americans love jumpin' to conclusions before they actually look at the merits of OUR system. ASIAN PRIDE!
AP is voluntary, your can reject it and be placed in a regular class. Where you will be bored.
I usually enjoy your articles Christina but this one was really disappointing. The lack of understanding about China, its situation and its people is surprising, its almost like you have never been there!
ReplyI have lived in China for a long time, I have Chinese family, I work in the Chinese education system and have seen for myself the family situation of hundreds of children. Not one of them fits the mold you have crafted in this article.
Parents motivate and push their children to succeed and teach them early on the value of hard work and discipline. The result is not emotionally stunted automatons, but rather highly capable adults who do not develop as many emotional or social hang ups as their foriegn counter parts.
I hope that foriegn readers can see past the stereotypes to gain a real understanding of China and its people.
Also Christina, Chinese are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves and always have been, that is why they have chosen the Communist Party and Socialism over the failing system in the US.
If you read the full article and the links she cites, you'll see that she's actually talking about the methods Chua advocates rather than actual Chinese child-rearing methods - though the title of the article is misleading in that regard. She even notes in the last two points that the Chua method is not how modern Chinese parents raise their kids.
This actually puts the Joy Luck Club in perspective. To anyone less familiar with Asian culture, the mother's refusal to give her Asian-American daughter the slightest bit of approval even though she's been spending her entire life trying to make her mother happy, makes the mother come off as a complete bitch. Turns out she's just a slave to her own upbringing.
ReplyI've yet to decide which is worse.
Wow, this is an embarassingly ignorant article. I live in China and while there are many, many problems with child-raising here, the author clearly knows nothing about Chinese culture that's not a gross stereotype or based off isolated incidents she briefly read about. Why would you even quote Amy Chua? She's an Ann Coulter-ish media whore who doesn't even speak Chinese.
ReplyIf you read the full article, I think you'll see that she's actually saying we shouldn't copy the "Chinese" method outlined in Amy Chua's book, which is not only antiquated, but also probably more prevalent in Asian-American families - and many immigrant families - than in China itself. My mother and many of my friends' mothers (Chinese Americans) all tried to use the methods in Chua's books which largely just caused us to lash out.
The author even notes in her last two points that this style of child-rearing is no longer popular in China.
Still never understood the hate for Christina. She's not particulary funny, but they are fun to read.
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A particular position, or point, in space.
parenting is not a place, idiot writer.
jesus christ, i didnt even read the article with a title like this.
Anyone else come close to correcting cynicalprick101 but decide it wasn't worth it?
Well, that's culture. It is useful during the time it was creatued, but becomes outdated and stupid as society progress and evolves overtime.
ReplyIn South Korea there is a study until you drop culture. The government are actually trying to turn that around by creating a special curfew and sending people around to shut down the after-hours schools people run in their homes. Seriously, people are so obsessed with their kids studying that they're running schools out of their garages after-hours. It was in a TIME magazine I was reading at the doctor's surgery.
ReplyReading while performing surgery? And to a doctor no less. I expected better from Zoidberg...wait no I don't...
I enjoyed reading this. I just wanted to point out the old art under #2 is actually Korean. I love those hats, too.
ReplyI'm an English teacher in a fairly elite kindergarten in Guangdong province, and I've certainly seen a variety of parenting approaches here. Many of the children do take extra classes after school and on the weekends, and most parents are eager to compare their 3 year-olds performance to other students. However, I also see a lot of warmth and affection directed towards the children - although notably in a generalized way and not so much in the form of complimenting their efforts.
ReplyThis is the most racist thing I've read in a while. Your attempts at humor just come off downright offensive.
ReplyShe's talking about her own culture, idiot. You didn't work out from the hints (and everything she's ever written) that her mum is Chinese?
I bet all that encouragement really did wonders for the survival of early man. "Good job Timmy-Ugh-Ugh, you caught small lizard, now we starve to death less. I proud of you!"
ReplyI wonder how much a bottle of Adderall goes for on Chinese streets?
ReplyMy parents never told me to get A"s" all the time, but told me to do the best I can and that they'll love me no matter what. Throughout my years in school I got honor roll (ALOT), but when I didn't get honor roll or got as low as a D, they never showed any contempt, but I always felt like I needed to do better. I got good grades not only because I love to, but because I knew I was making my parents proud. I think the personality of children need to be taken into consideration as well. Kids have minds of their own.
ReplyJesus... and i thought i was bad.
ReplyBut then again his describes my friend perfectly.
His mum is like really strict and refuses to compliment him, and yells at him even when my family is around- granted she recently got into a divorce but she was like this even before.
I'm Chinese myself living in Singapore which has a large Chinese population, my parents emphasize on academic results and always nag my brothers and I to study hard, but my parents has never verbal abused us and the few times we were hit by our parents were because we were fighting each other. My parents just wanted us to lead better lives than they can. The Confucian thoughts and the imperial civil examinations are true, though it should be noted that there were ways for government officials and the wealthy to help their sons cheat in those examinations. And this continued emphasis in tests and examinations are explained by teachers as a gauge to see how well we learn or master the various subjects. In Singapore we used academic results to compete for places in middle schools, high schools and universities, but how our results do not directly determine our majors, rather we choose our majors, though if you are to apply for engineering you have to pass Mathematics and Physics or Chemistry for chemical engineering. I think this article is about those really extreme Chinese parents. Or possibly those immigrant parents are really stressed out and in secure from being in a new country, where nothing is familiar and they are the minority, so they become drastic. History just teaches China to stay on top or everyone else will swallow her whole.
Reply Hide All See All 8 RepliesWow, kudos. You're Chinese, living in Singapore, and your English is pretty fantastic. How come people living in North America alwys tlk liek dis 2 u and someone living in Singapore can write with proper spelling, grammar and almost zero usage errors? Come on, guys.
Hey Whompdoctor, you do realise that English is an official language in Singapore, right?
The point still stand. Americans are dumbasses.
Venator, assuming you are american you have proven that true. Congratufuckinglations.
True americans are f*****g retarded. Now excuse me has i go make fun of that retarded m**********r stephen hawkins.
Kukulcan: I hope that was ironic (yes, I know the retarder motherf*cker bit was).
@KukulcanSerpent the only retarded one here is YOU. Stephen Hawking is not retarded, he is actually a genius. This may shock you, but go read a wikipedia page about him. I suggest wikipedia because it is for brain slugs like you
excuse zillah94 everyone..they just missed something it's okay =)
despite what the bottom comments say, as a Chinese American i thought you hit all the right points. I would like to say thought that i think pushing your kids too hard is the lesser of two evils. theres much more stories of American kids becoming bums than of Chinese kids getting nervous breakdowns. Also, if you've ever been to China, they are EXTREMELY nationalistic there. Needless to say the commmunist party will not be going anywhere anytime soon
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