5 Topics Guaranteed to Elicit (Condescending) Advice
Do you know what is even worse than a touchy subject like cat declawing that suddenly turns everyone around you into the Hulk? A touchy subject that turns everyone around you into Dear Abby.

Try mentioning any of the below things to a large group of people -- or just try not hiding any of these things from a large group of people -- and you will have so much condescending advice on your hands that you could, I don't know, build a really annoying house out of it. You'll be surprised at how many people you like and respect will suddenly turn into advice columnists from hell.

Just mention you are trying to lose a few pounds, and you will be inundated with Diet Experts. Some of them may understand the science, and some of them may have lost weight themselves, and sometimes both, but you can probably bet on neither.

"Look, here's what you need to do."
People who can't keep a pound off will be telling you to stay off carbs and eat all meats, and others will be telling you to banish meats and stick to carbs. Or that if you eat all bananas in the morning, you can eat whatever you want the rest of the day. Some people will tell you it's all about how often you eat, and other people will say it's all about eating nothing after 7pm (a sort of elderly Gremlin diet).

"Midnight? I can't even stay up past 8 anymore."
Whatever they tell you, they will insist that this is the only right way, that this is THE weight loss secret. It doesn't matter what else you eat, as long as you get that morning banana. Or you stay off carbs. Or whatever. If you don't want to listen, they'll throw up their hands and encouragingly tell you that you're doomed to failure.

Morning Banana would be a good name for a band.
This advice actually comes less from a certainty that whatever they're suggesting will work, than from a certainty that whatever you're doing won't work. About half of all Americans are trying to lose weight at any given time, so any given person is likely to have tried a bunch of different methods, which apparently don't work, otherwise they wouldn't keep trying. It takes an incredible amount of discipline to actually lose weight and keep it off, and most people have trouble accepting how much work they'd have to put in, so when they fail, they blame the method and move on to a new one.

Like the Taco Bell diet. Reasoning: It tastes terrible, so it must be good for you!
Because it can't be because weight loss is really hard. It must be because they just haven't found the right diet yet. This next one must be the right one! And if you, their poor sap of a friend, are trying one of the methods they've already tried and failed at, you're clearly barking up the wrong tree, and they've got to stop you for your own sake.

"Stay off the court, Rick, you are just wasting your time with cardio."
I'd suggest you not tell anyone when you're trying to lose weight, but it's pretty hard to get anywhere when your friends unknowingly take you out to Cheesecake Factory or have you over for backyard BBQs, so you have to tell someone. If anyone gives you trouble, you can just tell them you're on the Facepunch Diet, where you punch someone in the face every time they give you diet advice, and that you have never burned so many calories in your life.

Even if you're not a parent, don't know any parents, and haven't been near a child since the brief period where you were one, you've probably heard someone complain about unsolicited parenting advice. If not, here's one parent's experience, to catch you up:
"Why would you deny your precious infant breast milk?" said to a friend who had just adopted. Or, my favorite, offered to a weary mother entertaining two kids during an airport delay: "This is coming from a place of love. That's really not a developmentally appropriate task for your daughter."

This, on the other hand, is.
Another stranger told a mom her baby would claw his face off if she didn't cut his nails.

"I can't let them identify me."
Why does everyone want to tell parents what to do, even people with no kids?
Well, parenting is pretty much the most important responsibility most people will ever have -- you have an entire person's life in your hands. So, many parents, especially first-timers, tend to panic about everything, like whether they started their child listening to Baby Mozart six months too late for the maximum developmental boost, or whether their infant's lack of interest in NFL telecasts indicates they might be gay (or European).
Minor choices, or things that differ from kid to kid, can take on catastrophic significance, and people can project this sense of urgency onto other parents, leading them to assume that the proper timeline of Baby Mozart exposure is as much of a life-and-death issue to others as it was to them when they first found out.

Just so you know I'm not making this up.
So they don't see it as annoying a stranger over a minor problem like having crumbs on their lip, they see it as warning someone that's about to step off a cliff.
As for non-parents, a lot of it is Monday-morning quarterbacking, where things look easier and more obvious when you don't have to actually do them. And when it comes to people offering advice about shutting up a crying kid in public, well, that's because the average human mind isn't equipped to come to terms with a world where turning off that awful sound is not possible. There must be a method. If there is a loving God in heaven, there must be.

Please.

Go to your average general forum/newsgroup/mailing list and look for a discussion asking about problems with any Windows machine. Odds are good that somewhere in there, you will find someone suggesting they should have gotten a Mac.

They will do anything to convince you.
Ask about any problem with any Windows machine, and you can almost bet on getting this response:

Even money that their sig contains a quote from Steve Jobs or some kind of smug zing at Bill Gates or Dell or whatever.
Here's how the rest of the thread will play out: 4 helpful suggestions, 2 more "you should have got a Mac" comments, 3 suggestions that end by pointing out this would never happen on a Mac, and 1 guy promoting Linux.

Probably this guy.
Likewise you have this response to "How long will Windows take to install?", or this question about getting a black screen in Windows Media Center, this question about a blank screen in general, a thread about what camera to buy, or this question about popup ad problems.
Not to pin this whole phenomenon on annoying Mac fanboys alone. You'll see the same thing play out if you ask a broad group about what gaming console to get. The Playstation vs. Xbox assholes are a sight worse than Mac assholes, and I only don't quote them here because I can't read most of their misspelled leetspeak posts.








Oh dear god the mental illness one. The next person irl who asks me if I've tried st john's wort for my bipolar disorder is getting punched in the dick. Even if they don't have one. I know people mean well, but f*****g seriously, it's not like I don't have a doctor and hadn't thought of that already. *Why* do people always assume that they as individuals are the baseline for what everyone else goes through, ever?
ReplyUgh the parent advice. I'm not even a parent yet, not even close to being pregnant yet, and this already sends shivers down my spine. I can already picture what nonsense lectures I will have because I've already gotten multiple unwanted "advice" from petowners (and non-pet owners alike) regarding my dog. The condesention in their voice when they tell me "you know she's going to be a big dog right?" No s**t eh! Or "Dogs need a lot of walks" Oh, you don't say! Or they like to point out my dog has two different colored eyes as if I've never looked my dog in the face before. I get this type of uninvited attention on a daily basis. They try to get you with the ol small talk "how old is your dog?" Then they can tell you about the dogs they knew that were that age and what they acted like and advice they can offer about it. -____- People.
ReplyRight?? When I was pregnant with my first baby, I couldn't believe the number of people who solemnly told me - as though they were imparting one of Life's Great Secrets - "Children change your life, you know.". You don't say! I thought bringing a small helpless human into the household wouldn't alter a damned thing!
What I hate is when people who have read this article brush off real advice from someone who knows from experience a couple ways to help. I get that on the subjects on this article, you usually can't help, and I get that. What I'm saying is that I hate when people say "yeah I know what you mean. I went through some of that myself." and then the other dude says "you don't know what I'm going through. Go away." Again, some things can't be helped. What's annoying is when thy automatically assume you have no experience and am talking out of your ass.
Replyugh, the mac thing. and the alternative medicine thing. imo offering an answer like "get a mac" to a question about windows is akin to all those d*****t yahoo answers posts that say "durr i don't know man". ie, f*****g pointless. keep it to yourself, captain obvious. obviously if i had a mac i would not be asking a question about windows, you f*****g fuck.
Replythe smugness has got to my favorite part though.
as far as alternative medicine, i know a lot of people in some kind of traditional medical field (nursing, MD, pharmacy, etc) and a lot of people who follow natural medicine (but curiously all lacking degrees). who do you think i hear the most unsolicited, over-passionate, and usually based on flat-out incorrect beliefs about the body? need a hint? it's not "the ones who believe in western medicine like they know everything." not by a long shot.
THANK YOU for number 1 and 2. I have Fibromyalgia and PTSD (which are, in my case, related), and I am constantly getting either unsolicited advice about the FM or the PTSD. My favorite is when I have trouble walking (which happens quite often) people suggest taking Tylenol.
ReplySeriously. Tylenol.
I know that sometimes they mean well, and sometimes they're only doing it because they feel uncomfortable around me (I'm only 28 so my friends feel weird around me when I have to use a cane or a wheelchair), but I don't suggest how to fix their car. Why would I, I'm not a mechanic. So they shouldn't try to fix me. And when I try to explain to them "thanks but no thanks" treat me like I'm some sort of crazy person who wants to be in pain.
My advice for parents " Keep your kids far away from me because they are icky little poo poo factories."
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesLosing weight = less calories + some type of physical exercise other than sitting down.
Mental and physical illness = go ask a trained psychologist or doctor
Personally I refuse to live to a ripe old age because it is pointless.
And I never take my antidepressants because I'd prefer to not be chemically induced to be 'happy'.
Right. Much, much better to just feel like s**t all the time because of a chemical inbalance in your brain that won't allow actual happiness. Good going.
antidepressants aren't a magic happy pill like you take them and then suddenly you feel like a lottery winner every minute of every day and your life becomes amazing all of a sudden. they are there simply to balance out an imbalance (key word: BALANCE. not, "fling wildly into the opposite end of the misery spectrum>"), and help you feel somewhat less horrid every minute of every day. they are there to help you feel like life is tolerable, and not a minute-by-minute struggle that never stops.
granted, they won't work if your situation is inherently, inescapably miserable, and you are doing nothing to fix it. that's like putting a bandaid on a stab wound. if your current thoughts on antidepressants are because you've taken them for a short period, they made you feel weird and janky at first (umm, because your sadsack neural pathways are being partially rewired, kind of a big deal / slow process), and then ultimately didn't work, odds are, your experience would have been better if you'd taken a course of treatment that was actually recommended by a professional as opposed to decided on a whim fueled by misery. people who change their surroundings, attend therapy, and are actually honest with their doctors fare much better than those who do none of the above.
Antidepressants are not a chemical happy pill. Antidepressants are meant to help you get to a place where you're functional enough to deal with your daily life, and possibly find happiness on your own. Funny how that works.
The only time I've ever seen an antidepressant make someone "happy" is if they (rarely) induce hypomania as a side effect, and having experienced it myself, manic euphoria doesn't really count.
Sincerely, an irritated mentally ill person who has heard this argument far too many times.
I can't count the number of times my father told me the cure for my depression was to man up. Especially applicable since I'm female.
ReplyMine says 'pull yourself together', but same principle.
As far as prescription drugs go, they are definitely overused, but they do have their place. Unfortunately most people can't take a common sense middle ground approach to anything. Then again, that may be why we are so condescending too. We always think that we know best and everything has to be a certain way.
ReplyI have a few things wring with me that's for sure. But PLEASE don't compare you turtle dying to my depression. I don't intend to disrupt the validity of your sorrow because that's fugging tragic! You invested emotion into that turtle and I assume that it was damn close to being family to you. But you have no idea what I am going threw much like I have no idea what YOU are going threw. So PLEASE just wish me the best of luck, give me a fugging flower, followed by a "hand shammy" , and then leave me the fug alone unless dinner is on you.
ReplyWhat perturbs me more (as someone with an anxiety disorder) are those in the mental illness community who are adamantly AGAINST meds. Sometimes it's because of "crazy pride", and sometimes it's because they were pumped up with too many/the wrong drugs by boneheaded doctors, drugs which made them feel numb.... but there are plenty who will do whatever they can to avoid having to take them. Ultimately, I've learned that even those suffering will do the whole "this is how it is for me, so it should be that way for you" thing, even to people who are going through the same shit. It's the way the majority of us are wired, I suppose.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesThis is very true. I my self have a few mental illness' and the meds I was taking did fracking bupkiss (save for giving me a bit of a gut and another undesirable side effect I wont go into here). But every body thinks that they are endowed with infallible wisdom about this stuff. I do it myself! Thankfully being off my medication I kind of came to terms with my disorders (which by no stretch of the imagination are cured) and I hope that if I am faced in the future with some one with comparable problems I have the good sense to keep my fugging mouth shut and listen to the problem and wish them the best of luck. And to you, FreeValidity, best of luck! I hope you can come to terms as well. Have fun be safe be happy, Craig.
I know what you mean. I don't really understand it. Like, I sort of take comfort in knowing that there is an actual inbalance within the brain that is causing the s****y feelings, and knowing that there is probably a way to alleviate them. I dunno. I'm on medication for anxiety and depression now and I'm definitely pro-medication, if it works correctly with the body's chemistry. Anyway, hope everything works out for you!
I've encountered people in the past, with the same illness I have, that have openly looked down on me for taking drugs to treat it and not [insert herbal remedy here]. Then proceed to say "Well if you would use Y instead of poisoning your body with those chemicals and give big pharma money, blah blah blah."
It seriously makes me want to slap them. Look, I'm glad natural remedies work for them. That's awesome. Herbs don't do crapola for me, otherwise I'd have tried that a long time ago. So they can do their thing, I'll do mine.
I don't know why we as human beings are wired to assume that we as individuals must be the baseline for how every other person in the world does X thing that we do. It's really irritating, and I'm as guilty of unsolicited advice as anyone else!
Except...weight loss really is a matter of mathematics. 3500 calories equals one pound. Create a deficit of that many calories through a combination of reduced calorie intake (how about you just drink two fewer sodas a day, fatty?) and increased physical activity and you lose a pound. IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE. Sorry, people, but this is why I get so frustrated with people who aren't willing to embrace the possibility that they're making it harder than it actually is. (Whether you lose fat vs. muscle is another topic entirely, but whatever.) I realize I sound like the assholes you wrote about, but I'm totally cool with that. MATH.
ReplyNot to rain on your math parade, but when you've gotten down to the bare minimum of fat on your body, weight doesn't come off as easily due to the body burning calories more efficiently, slowing your metabolism, and your body not wanting to get rid of the fat that, evolutionarily, serves the purpose of being an energy store, source of warmth and insulation for organs. It's called a plateau, and going by your entry I'm going to say you've never experienced one. And lucky you, because there's nothing quite like the feeling of eating 1200 calories a day for weeks on end and working out for 1.5 hours a day, 7 days a week, and not seeing the scale move.
The only thing funny about this article is that half the "funny" advice she mocks, is actually sound advice, and she's just too stupid to realise it.
ReplyI didn't find any sound advice. All the examples she used were people stroking themselves off in "advice" form.
trying to quit smoking is another thing that some people think they have all the answers on. i'm a smoker, and not trying to quit, and i have this one girlfriend who has done and said everything to get me to quit. last night, another conversation about it. i said to her, listen, nothing you can do or say is going to get me to make that move. i know that you have to want to quit, and that's what makes quitting work for people. i am not there yet, and until i want to change that, it's not going to happen for me. her response, "oh now you are just being ridiculous. nobody WANTS to quit smoking, they do it because they have to." I'M the ridiculous one. then she wanted me to put "my wish" on a piece of paper and put it in a pot and then burn it so it could be released into the universe and maybe that would encourage me to quit. i was like, that's not really my wish though. the only thing i want to burn right now sure as hell isn't going into that pot. be back in 5.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesI think your example of quitting smoking illustrates why unsolicited advice can, at the very least, be quite annoying. The person giving it means well but doesn't realize that they're coming across as condescending especially if you're an adult. To the one receiving it, it can seem like a passive-aggressive way of telling them one thinks they're stupid. What irritates me the most is, when I tell them in no uncertain terms that I didn't ask them for their advice, they respond by saying "Don't be oversensitive/ridiculous/childish! I just CARE about you and want what's BEST for you!" No, you're being an overbearing prat who seems to be more concerned with your own feelings than mine.
I know how that is, friend. Everybody and there mother has tried to get me to quit. It was the same for alcohol. But I realized I was an alcoholic and of my own free will am taking the steps for me to be clean (9 weeks sober wish me luck). But I am not ready to quit smoking yet and I do not see the reason to stop yet either. For me it started as passively aggressively ending my own existence much like the alcohol. But the alcohol was hurting other people as well and I don't want to do that. so that was the need to stop. Smoking however just became the habit of choice and I like the way it makes me feel. Granted one day I will be in awful pain but I hope I find the strength to quit before that happens. But for right now I have spent way to much time on this key bored and not outside. Have fun be safe be happy, Craig.
Snort. I don't smoke. I have a friend who does. She knows I don't like it; she's aware of the dangers. We've left it at that, and it just doesn't come up. She doesn't smoke around me (goes outside) so it's not a problem that way.
Must...resist...urge...to...write...down...successful...weight loss...experience...GHUH!
ReplyBeen there. :P
Psh. Haven't been there, don't have that urge.
Windows fanboys are just as condescending and douchebaggy as Mac fanboys. Both groups seem unable to accept that they rarely know what they're talking about, and that those opinions are largely formed based on angry comments from respective fanboys in internet forums.
ReplyI've used both, and when I talked to one of my friends about a computer problem I was having with a Mac, he said "I personally don't like Macs, they're really not open-source enough and if you know what you're doing you can't do as much with them. They've really lost their way recently, especially in terms of hardware quality." Then he popped in a linux disc and told me to back up my files and reinstall the system once I put in a new hard drive. He knows what he's talking about, and I'll accept criticism on owning a certain type of computer from him.
Another person I know was at a LAN party with me and me and a couple other friends were discussing the relative merits of a recently released nvidia chip, and some of the more comical failures of past chips, whereupon the other person said "I have no idea what you're talking about." Later on that night, I mentioned the computer problem, and that other person said "WELL THERE'S UR PRBLME U BOT A MAC HURR DURR MORON." Really?
The first computer I ever used, in school, was a Mac. What a fun little computer. :) I've also had a used Mac as a home computer.
I've used Windows all over the place as well, in both school, work, and home. I find Windows much more versatile for Internet and most gaming, but Macs are wonderful guys that work just fine for me.
Right now my choice of computer is dictated mostly by budget, which means systems that use Windows. But I still like Macs.
I actually really like the "No eating after 6PM" diet. I have weird reactions to carbohydrates sometimes, and limiting how much food I eat before bed helps me sleep better and wake up more refreshed.
ReplyNot sure why... I have lost a little weight, but that really wasn't the motivation...
Just my 2cents.
Notice who noticed this, yourself did!!!
So, a few months before my 2nd daughter was born, my wife and I saw the Chemical Brothers in concert. They had this crazy video display of marching toy robots, tilting to and fro, coming straight at the camera, quite hypnotic and cool. About 5 months after she was born, I'm sitting there with her watching, you guessed it, Baby Mozart, and what do I see? Yup, that trippy army of toy robots marching at the screen. Not only is it real, but it's been ripped off by the Chemical Brothers.
ReplyOn the other hand I also have an example where people have refused advice even when its validity is written in mile-high neon.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesI work for a company that make wound dressings.
Now, wounds heal better in a moist environment - this is real, there is plentyful clinical evidence, even googling "moist wound environment" will lead you in the right direction.
So when i learned about this I was all like "oooooh, thats interesting, I always thought you had to take you dressing off now and then to "air" the wound, let it dry out y'know?"
So I tell my friends, and I tell them about all the clinical data (oh, and real-world consumer data too) and I get flat-out denial followed by "uuuurgh, thats disgusting!".
I have explained it so many times to my girlfriend but she says "I've always believed you should dry it out so I will stick with that, I dont want to trap bacteria under the plaster".
Good grief.
So, it's a liiiiiiittle sketchy that you work for the company that makes these bandages. But hopefully your girlfriend doesn't think you're a corporate shill or anything.
Trap bacteria under the plaster...? Exactly what century are we living in?
I've heard that most wounds are best kept reasonably moist with a bandage and antibiotic of some sort. The dry exposed skin can crack and admit tiny nasties that can increase infection.
On the flip side, if the wound is 'smelling funny' and isn't healing even though you've kept a very tight thick bandage wrapping on it, take it off and get to the doctor. There might be something more wrong. (Took a toenail off with the vacuum twenty years ago, ripped open the skin beneath, had exactly that happen.) There's a reason modern bandages 'breath'.
I wouldn't compare your advice to the examples in the article since its coming from a place of authority/experience.
I'm a martial artist so I'm no stranger to unsolicited, bad advice.
ReplyNobody tells a rugby player how to play rugby, but everybody will tell me about which martial arts are "best", how they would overcome the technique they just asked me to demonstrate ("I would just do this..." or "All you have to do is....") and why everyone should be doing MMA or how one art or another is completely useless. Almost exclusively this will come from people whose only exposure to martial arts is through a television, although there are a few annoying individuals who have trained for a few months and think they know everything and hold forth on it all.
Now all of the above deserve a good old debate, but anyone who has studied a martial art for any length of time knows what Im talking about - just hit a list on cracked or listverse to find some.
...Right... I've watched G-Force (birds, not rodents) through several times, and that *somehow* miraculously gives me the fighting abilities you've acquired through years of discipline and training. Uh huh
I'll just admit I can't do martial arts, and look for dumb crook stories of when criminals take on those who can, like you.
P1T10, I wholeheartedly agree. Especially on the "MMA" guys- that stuff generally isn't "martial arts" but fighting sports (Eg. BJJ or kickboxing), but nobody I've encountered that trains in it seems to know the difference.
I always get people telling me (usually, as if they're explaining it to some child or very slow person) how their cagefighting that they've maybe trained 6 months in will always beat my 13 years of karate training (training that regularly involves pressure points and jujutsu limb/joint tears/breaks that make most MMA look like an overlong cuddle in comparison)
And the "I would just do this" guys, no you wouldn't. You REALLY wouldn't. The techniques I know tend to cripple, very quickly, an opponent's ability to carry on fighting. As would the stuff any martial artist should be learning at higher levels.
And I only barely know anything. But, still much, much more than your standard kickboxer thug.
I think what irritates me is when someone is severely ill and people nod sagely and go; "Well, doctors don't know everything/they just prescribe drugs". Really? Really? The same stupid medicine done by the same stupid doctors that has stopped TB, Polio, Flu, Scarlet fever and many other diseases that decimated our population so much that cancer has become one of the biggest killers. Doctors spend their whole lives studying the body and constantly keep doing so to stay up to date with the latest techniques. But hey, what do they know? You have google and an inflated ego
ReplyExactly.
Medicine is a constantly shifting and imprecise science, so those doctors study their little tails off so that they can keep up on things and do their job right.