5 Reasons There Must Be Corpses Buried Under the Batcave
The third installment of the Bale Batman movies is coming out next year, called Dark Knight Rises. And, while you know we're looking forward to the movie -- we've done as much as anyone to promote the important issue of Batman awareness among the public -- the film promises to address what is for us a very awkward and sensitive subject.
The Batcave.
There was no Batcave in Dark Knight -- Bruce was operating out of temporary accommodations while Wayne Manor was being rebuilt -- but they mention at the end of Batman Begins their plan to renovate the cave underneath into the crime fighting headquarters we're familiar with from every other incarnation of the character. And that's a problem.
See, the entire appeal of Batman is that he's the ultimate geek superhero. He's an antisocial loner whose strength is nothing compared to supernatural peers like Superman. Yet, he gets by on his intelligence. And he does it alone, with no help from anyone other than two employees. No family, no friends. That's who he is.
And the Batcave ruins it. Why?

In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne created everything he needed to become Batman in the damp, empty cave under his house. He had some help from Lucius in getting materials and the Batmobile, and of course Alfred was there. But that's it. He had to do everything himself because the world can't know he's Batman. And each item he owns -- from his weapons to his suit -- is filtered through his company as being for some other purpose, the modifications made with his own hands.
But we're going to go out on a limb and say that Bruce and two elderly men with shovels are not going to be able to build this:

We're estimating at least three broken hips and one pulled Bat-groin to make this happen.
That's the most small-scale version of the Batcave ever portrayed, from the old TV show (they didn't have Joel Schumacher's budgets back then). Someone will surely pipe up in the comments to point out this is the new, gritty, realistic Batman, so they'll surely have a scaled-down, gritty, rebooted Batcave. But that also would make no sense. If the new Batcave turns out to just be a workshop and a couple of laptops hooked together, why even have a Batcave at all?
The whole point having a cave headquarters is that his crime fighting equipment is too big to fit in his enormous mansion, so he needs an entire sub-structure -- itself the size of his whole mansion -- to keep his Batman stuff. Hell, look at the size of his temporary digs:

The man needs room to work and test out gadgets and such. Otherwise, Bale Batman would just put his bat computer in a locked room inside the house. It is his house and he does live there alone. Don't forget that the man's house is going to be completely rebuilt from scratch. He could have whatever room he wanted in there and he could just play it off like he's some rich, eccentric collector of crime computer servers. He could do whatever he wants. He could have a zero gravity room if he wanted. He's the fucking Batman.

"I don't want any furniture. I want levels, like the pyramids. Why?
Because you're fired that's why. And build me a FBI crime lab on the second floor too."
No, there is no such thing as a small-scale, more realistic Batcave. Which means ...

Yes, hundreds. First of all, you can't keep the fact that you're building something huge in the basement secret from the workers building the new Wayne Manor itself. The construction is happening on top of it so you either have to get the basic structure of the Batcave done first, or do them at the same time.

"Anyone else think this guy's 'wine cellar' is unusually well-armed?"
So, for instance, this huge mansion in Palm Beach with three bomb shelters required 600 workers, working for three years -- and that's just for a fancy house. If you're talking about tricking out a massive mansion-sized subterranean cavern with top-of-the-line computer equipment, miles of cable and security measures covering every inch, you're looking at something more like the restoration of the section of the Pentagon that was damaged on 9/11 -- that took 1,000 construction workers and 3,000,000 man hours.
You see the problem right away. Remember this douche?

We saw in The Dark Knight how the whole operation almost came tumbling down because this guy noticed that the Batmobile was actually based off the design of a Wayne Enterprises military vehicle. He tried to extort money from Batman and then went on TV to expose Batman's identity. Multiply him by several hundred and you have the dilemma Wayne faces with the Batcave.
And keep in mind, it's not like he can gather a team of loyalists or Wayne employees to do all the work; this work will require contractors from a dozen different specialties. You've got the basic construction and framing, then the electricians, the plumbers, the concrete guys, the plaster guys, the roofers, the IT crew who'll be running all the network cable, the heating/air conditioning installers, etc.

Billionaires don't generally know how to snake their own poopy drains.
All of them have to be hired separately. If you try to do it on the down-low and hire a secret bunker-building team like the Yugoslavian contractors Saddam Hussein brought in to build his secret palace bunkers, that attracts even more attention. A whole lot of local Gotham contractors are going to complain very loudly when some shady operation in black vans gets the job instead.
And then you have the city officials who have to inspect new structures for building code violations. And so on.

"I don't care how rich this guy is. There's no permit for hollowing out a goddamn mountain."

Now, you may be saying that, sure, the people swarming over the Wayne Manor construction site may all notice that Bruce has demanded a huge, elaborate basement/cave. But that's all they'd know. They'd have no reason to realize that 1) he's going to use that space to fight crime, and 2) this indicates he is, in fact, Batman.
But the basic floors and walls and lighting of the cave are just the tip of the iceberg. What is he going to put in there once he gets the foundation built? Obviously not everything that comic-book Batman had in there.

Comic-book Batman had a two-story Lincoln penny, a life-sized T-Rex doll, a jet, a helicopter, a gym, a computer, a mechanic shop, an interrogation room and other trophies and wonders. But that's comic-book Batman. We're talking about Bale Batman here. So, say he has the minimum. So, like a Batcomputer and that's it? We already know what his computer set up is. We've seen it:

"Man he's going to ask me to reassemble these in that stupid cave. I better come up with a reason to quit."
But he also needs a place to fix his car -- he goes on police chases and crashes through walls every time he takes it out, so he's got to change the tires somewhere secret, right? So he's got to have one of those workshops like on Pimp My Ride down there. At least. Then, assuming he doesn't have just the bare minimum, he's probably also got the forensics lab and a workshop where he builds his gadgets -- you know, the stuff he had in his temporary setup in the last film.

All of that must be custom made, then delivered and installed. And it gets to be kind of hard to keep up any kind of a cover story when you notice Batman's love of branding.

"Hey Mr. Wayne, where do you want us to put this giant Batman symbol illuminated floor panel? Does it go by the crime supercomputer or by the floating island with retractable bridges where you keep your black tank?"
But even the guys who don't actually handle bat-shaped furniture deliveries aren't going to have to be Sherlock Holmes to put the pieces together. This guy is demanding a huge cave facility, wired up like NORAD, with all of the entrances hidden, and is (presumably) demanding non-disclosure of this fact by everyone who works on it. Either he's Batman, or he's a terrorist.
But, OK, maybe if he plans really carefully he can compartmentalize the project so that no one guy sees everything. Maybe he uses a separate crew on the Batcave, and make them use an off-site entrance, like the hidden entrance away from the house that every Batman uses for the Batmobile. Then, only once they're finished, does he cover up the entrances and hire the crew to build the manor itself on top of it. And all of the people involved in the Batman parts have to sign an agreement not to tell anyone.

Because construction workers are known for their absolute discretion.
OK. Unfortunately, even then ...








I'm thinking the Bat may have some arrangement with Tibetan monks involving manual labor, vows of silence, and probably quite a bit of training. A few greenbacks go a long way and most of those fellows are skilled craftsmen.
ReplyMaybe he did what Tony Stark did in Iron Man. Maybe he had a factory/workshop area built into the cave and uses that as the Bat Cave. His company builds stuff all the time so no one would ask questions.
ReplyThis article brings up at least one reason why the first Iron Man movie was so satisfying. At the end, Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark said, "okay guys, yeah, f**k it, I AM Iron Man. Let`s build from there. I don`t have to hide."
ReplyFor anything that couldn't be done openly, with a cover story, he could go ahead and hire people as Batman. Then shuttle them to the secret location in a limo, with really blacked out windows. Maybe not a limo, but riding around town with a bag on your head, would be a lousy daily commute.
ReplyI'll stop this debate right away :
ReplyBale-Batman uses Alfred as a riche owner of the Mansion.
Alfred then orders a bun of workers dedicated to their special fields to construct the Bat-Cave.
Alfred then gives them the feeling of trust from an old guy just looking to spend his last days on earth with damn expensive hardware and a high-speed youporn access (what up ?).
As the constructions advance, he then sets-up the goods as Bale-Batman requires.
In around 4/5 years, the whole deal is done. Alfred calls the maintenace crews from time to time, making sure he stores the Bat-incriminating things (obviously stuff like the Batmobile and all Bat-Crafted goods) in a Bat-only room which they'd have conceived before hand for being low maintenance-compliant.
In a way or another, Alfred who either been considered as Batman, but judging by his age it would be nonsense to even give this a second tought or a creepy old man stalking young teens over some high speed internet in so creepy ass cave full of stuff... sounds reasonable in 2012..
That makes sense, really.
Hey, is it possible Batman has super machine to erase the memories whatsoever happened while they're working in the Bat Cave? You know, they can't have any communicating devices while working the Bat Cave, then after the ribbon has been cut. Batman gather them together, Undercover Boss' style, then surprise, surprise, I erase your memories.
ReplyHe didn't need to expand the Batcave, it was already a huge cave beneath his manor, which is why he chose that spot rather than, say a secret warehouse or room. The bats can be redirected with nets, and he could maintain the dehumidifiers by himself. For the supercomputer, he could just order a super computer for his Waynely activities (Billionaires like high-speed porn too), and just lug that s**t to the cave himself.
ReplyI'm sure that Bruce Wayne, super genius and all, can handle plumbing, or maybe the Batcave isn't where he takes his Bat-squats. He might just take the elevator to the manor.
Of course, if he absolutely NEEDS outside equipment, he could order a crane or a Bobcat, do some work outside for his spice garden, then take the back entrance to the cave to do the real work.
And for all the bats, he probably just does that in his spare time. Wayne isn't the kind of man to sit idly by. No crime to punch? Might as well turn that flood light into a BAT-flood light. Yeah. This cave is going to be sooooo coooool.
I think the point is that regardless of how much of a genius or infinite resources you have this is still an impossible task to do let alone in secret. On top of that he has to maintain all this stuff while juggling the life of a playboy billionaire and actually fighting crime. He would have to never sleep and even then he'd probably still be completely overbooked.
And as for the IT crew, I used to singlehandedly do literally everything for a company of 150 people which means more hardware and wiring than the batcave. Alfred probably has some l33t h4x0r skillz :)
ReplyBatman being friend with Superman, Supes might have helped him set things up...
ReplyMaybe it's one of those Black Friday things from Arrested Development. Maybe that's how he does it!
ReplyYeah but some of the stuff in superman doesn't make sense either
ReplyHow about all of it?
What if.... Bruce smuggled all the necessary materials to the cave in advance, and abducted all the workers and let them only see him as the Batman? Separate work crew for the mansion, and prisoned crew to work with the cave. Never let them see the outside, and gas them and smuggle them out with their pay in the pocket after they are done. Medically caused amnesia could also be an optional addon.
ReplyNo?
Okay then...
actually that could work however soon word would spread that bat man is looking for people to work on his bat-cave and some villain is going to get the bright idea to get "hired" and then bug the place or something
Actually all very valid points, but he's the f*****g Batman. I would definitely keep quiet if I worked for someone as crazily badass as Batman.
ReplyThe Shadow could teach Batman a thing or two about safely recruiting labour. He saves people's lives, but those lives then belong to him. He can demand their help any time he needs it. It's a good setup - brilliant and creepy at the same time, like the man himself.
ReplyGood article. The trouble with trying to ground Batman in reality is that he's always been part of a fantasy universe. His corner of that universe is more down-to-earth than most, but there's too much overlap to ignore. The comic Batcave can dodge all these complaints any number of ways - who needs a construction crew when you have Superman on speed-dial? Take the character away from all that and something's gotta give.
That's a good point - Batman knows a lot of superheroes. How fast can they build shit? Oh, wait - better question: how many superheroes are plumbers in their other lives? Hm. Maybe Superman can grab up a whole bunch of Indians, fly them over there and hold them hostage until they finish the cave and fly them back? That sounds like something he'd do...
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It's real easy to keep someone quiet when they're both on your payroll, and agree with what you're doing. Let's be honest, if your boss was a crime fighting ninja, and paid you specifically to construct his crime fighting gadgets, you'd do it...and you'd feel pretty damn honored to be a part of the process.
ReplyAlso, there is incentive to keep quiet. As Lucius Fox so graciously put it: "Let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands; and your plan, is to *blackmail* this person?"
and here i was thinking batman was just a fictional character
ReplyI have to admit, I would totally take out the Bat-Trash.
ReplyIt's not about what's possible, it's about what's probable.
ReplyWhat it really boils down to, could you be Bruce Wayne without anyone managing to discover that you are Batman... and that Wayne Enterprises is behind all of your gear/equipment. Answer is absolutely, Bruce Wayne is the perfect damn cover. If no one suspects you are Batman, you can do whatever you want.
I think everyone is forgetting their bias, from prior comic books and movie knowledge. So let's think of it in real life terms. If you saw on TMZ, that allegedly Tom Cruise was out on in these streets in America trying to fight crime, trying to engage hardened criminals out in the open... would you believe that shit? As crazy as Cruise is known as being, he ain't stupid. Not even Cruise though... Could you see Schwarzenegger doing it? Maybe picture Jackie Chan out kicking some ass? You wouldn't believe that s**t, you wouldn't even give a second thought, you'd just shrug and move about your business. Is it... possible they were? Yes. Is is probable.... No, not even close. People in the Bat-verse believing Bruce Wayne is Batman, would be akin to you or I believing Bill Gates was....... You just like me, just can't see that one in your head.
People tend to go with what is much more likely. Logically, you'd be looking for someone with some military training before anything else.. some special ops guy(s). Illogically, after the first few years and batman wasn't dead or in custody... you might be thinking the guys either works for the government, or actually is supernatural in some way.
Ok, so that said.... The general public is not gonna be able to get into their heads that Bruce Wayne is Batman. It could be argued that a powerful government organization may be be able to determine it. But honestly look how long it took them to find Osama.
Wayne Enterprises is a multi-billion dollar corporation with military contracts probably spread throughout NATO. If the owner of this corporation wanted to build some secret shit... do you honestly believe he couldn't do it?.