Why The Reaction to Bin Laden's Death Proves We're Screwed
On the first day of this month, we learned that the disaster movie that started back in 2001 had a Hollywood ending. The good guys killed the main bad guy after a raid that preliminary reports indicated was exactly like the time you sniped that dude in Call of Duty.
As college campuses around America celebrated like their basketball teams had all made it to the Final Four, reporters attempted to give the event some historical context. The ambitious ones called it our generation's V Day (for our younger readers, this is when our grandparents won World War II, and celebrated by having so much unprotected sex it created a sonic event called the Baby Boom), but everyone seemed to agree that we would all be telling our grandkids where we were when we heard the news.
"I remember where I was when CNN told me I'd be telling you this" doesn't sound like me, but most scientists agree it's probably too soon to know where flashbulb memories fall on the spectrum of body processes that can happen while Wolf Blitzer comments on the fact that they're happening.

One thing that seems clear is that it was the biggest news story to break since the Internet has been operating at full horsepower, and everything about how we get our information has changed. The Internet existed back in 2001, but the unprecedented surge in traffic on the morning of the terror attacks crashed pretty much every major news site. Most of us spent those first few days watching TV and calling or being called by our loved ones, depending on who was geographically closer to Washington or New York City.
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"I know they haven't attacked Minneapolis yet but it would make me feel better if you let me mail you this handgun."
It's only 10 years later, but the way information travels has changed in some staggeringly weird ways. If we do end up telling our grandkids how we found out Bin Laden was dead, we should probably be prepared to be laughed at.
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The most important source of news right now and for the foreseeable future is not CNN or the New York Times. It is celebrities. And there's nothing we can do about it.
If for some unfathomable reason, you are one of the 500,000 people who follows Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson on Twitter, you know that he uses the phrase "Bring It" with a frequency that borders on pathological. You also knew something was up before anyone else on May 1. At 10:24 p.m., over an hour before the President addressed the nation, The Rock announced that he'd "just got word that will shock the world." Whether he was playing it close to the vest, or just didn't know how to spell Osama Bin Laden, the fact remains that The Rock could have broken the most important news story since 9/11 if he'd wanted to. How is this possible? Where were the journalists? What ever happened to Stone Cold Steve Austin?

You know what? Don't even bother. You blew it.
As ridiculous as this might seem in a cosmic sense, it's actually inevitable. Legitimate news organizations need to check and cross check sources before they report something. The Rock's fact checking process involves shouting, "Are you serious, bro?!" into his phone and being proud of his country. That's probably fine, because nobody has lied to The Rock since he started growing muscles behind his ears. But he won't be the last celebrity to break important news. The Rock probably heard it from a TV producer who wanted to be his friend, and TV producers who want to impress celebrities are LA's No. 1 export.

The Rock only knows how to express skepticism using cartoon emotions.
To see why this matters, you only need to look at a list of the 10 most followed twitter feeds: Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, some guy named Barack Obama, Britney Spears, Kim Kardashian, Katy Perry, Ashton Kutcher, Ellen DeGeneres, Taylor Swift and Shakira. That's 66,563,189 people getting real-time updates from celebrities and 7,800,893 for the President. It's hard to blame those people (except the ones that follow Kim Kardashian). Obama's job is to be careful, and Twitter is like a biker orgy: Unless it's sloppy and occasionally violent, what are we even doing here?

Hold the fucking phones you guys. The President thinks the economy is affecting businesses.
If fans of Katy Perry follow her on twitter, she might comment on the dragon you drew! Justin Bieber might flirt with you! Lady Gaga is an alien!
Following entertaining people and unintentionally hilarious celebrities is the most logical use of Twitter 99.999 percent of the time. It's just that the other .001 percent, Twitter happens to be the most powerful tool for spreading important information that mankind has seen up to this point. And the Bin Laden story proved that when shit goes down, we will use it for that purpose. And we will still be following the ridiculous celebrities we were following when shit wasn't going down.

America's No. 1 source for news: Lady Gaga.
When JFK was killed, Walter Cronkite broke into an episode of As the World Turns to tell the nation. Nobody breaks into your Twitter feed to tell you that CNN's Breaking News feed is going to be reporting actual breaking news for the next three days.

Well, almost three days.
If you are a fan of the Jersey Shore, and were on Twitter that Sunday night, you might have learned about the Internet's first huge news story from Pauly D ...

1.2 million followers.
Although his caste-mate Vinny might have put it more eloquently (honestly I can't tell):

1.1 million followers.
If you read the first half of Vinny's tweet in a sad enough voice, it almost seems like he understands how deeply upsetting it is that you're sharing this meaningful memory with him. The second half seems to imply that he's going to travel to your home when you have children and read Twitter to them, so he might just be bad at writing.
You didn't even need to be on Twitter to get some celebrity journalism upside your head. Mike Tyson took it upon himself to break the news to anyone who bought the Punch-Out iPhone app with the following push notification.

Stole Nintendo's slogan for the next Super Smash Bros., too.

If you've memorized most of Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt as I have, you're familiar with the concept of "cutting." It's what a drug dealer does when there's more demand on the streets than they have drugs. For instance, cocaine dealers will mix, or cut, their product with Sweet N Low, baking soda or some other cheap and relatively harmless substance. It's dishonest, but it works because drug addicts tend not to be the most discerning customers. It's also exactly what the mainstream media did with the news of Bin Laden's death.
Everyone was working with the same handful of solidly sourced facts -- "Bin Laden is dead," "shot in the head," "by Navy Seals" and "in Pakistan" -- which you'll notice fit together nicely into a sentence that can be read aloud in under four seconds. The streets, however, were demanding eight hours of non-stop coverage. And so the media, both online and off, just cut those facts with enough speculation, debate and general bullshit to make it seem like there was more there than met the eye. And we, as a nation, were tweaking hard enough to not notice.
For instance, if you tuned into CNN immediately following the president's address, you saw one of the thousands of on-air personalities buzzing around CNN's Situation Room read the following tweet on national television ...

Spooky.
Shockingly, former welterweight champion Oscar De La Hoya's reporting wasn't entirely accurate. Hitler died on April 30th and everyone just found out a day later. You could find this information by just glancing at Hitler's Wikipedia page. CNN decided to read it on national TV instead because, hey, if Oscar De La Hoya doesn't put his tweets through a rigorous fact checking process, that's on him.

All meticulously fact checked.
It was at least partially our fault. We were desperate for information, and we didn't care which retired boxer it came from. As long as we got that little buzz that comes with learning something that seemed important.
The ingredients each dealer chose to cut their product with were as revealing as they were predictable. Oscar De La Hoya's tweet seemed to fit in with CNN's general desire to put the story in some larger historical context. Fox News made the implicit claim that the liberal elite media was misspelling Osama Bin Laden's name ...

Of course, NBC doesn't want you to know it's spelled with a U ... for some reason.
... but wait. Was that President Bush addressing the media while looking all commander and chiefly in the third lead story? Was that President Obama next to him pooping his pants on national TV?

What was Bush doing back in the spotlight? Had he secretly masterminded the operation from behind the scenes? The headline under his picture wasn't saying that, if you paid close attention to the punctuation. If, however, you miss a colon it says "Bush Killing Bin Laden 'A Victory for America,' " which seems to suggest that Bush declared a victory for America while he was killing Osama Bin Laden, presumably with his bare goddamned hands.

In the aftermath, details of the harrowing raid emerged, allowing the media to focus on things like American helicopters racing for the border as Pakistani fighter jets closed in. Instead, the media decided to open the floor to people claiming that it was all a giant conspiracy if they didn't get to see pictures of Bin Laden's dead body. If you're from the Internet, you might recognize this gambit as "pics or it didn't happen," the rallying cry of lonely men who want to see your boobs.
You might have heard the edge-of-your-seat story of the helicopter crash that almost doomed the mission, but you're way more likely to have heard people debating whether the Obama Administration should release pictures of Bin Laden's dead body. On the con side, they were gruesome and could be used to rally violent reaction, and what are we, goddamn barbarians? On the pro side, White House counter-terror adviser John Brennan explained, "We are going to do everything we can to make sure that nobody has any basis to try to deny that we got Osama bin Laden." Which brings us to the important question, what the fucking what?
How did the burden of proof switch from the guys saying "Nuh-uh" to the guys with the DNA evidence? Shouldn't Obama's word, the eye witnesses and the complete lack of a coherent plausible alternative trump the word of the guys calling everyone "fat cats" and reeking of urine?
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"Great use of the hand Mrs. Clinton. Mr. President, give me a little more intensity. We need the suckers out in the sticks to really eat this up. Also, don't you have anything better to do?"
Take a moment to imagine what that hoax would entail. Think of all the moving pieces Obama would need to have doing his bidding: everyone in the room in the above photograph, the rest of his cabinet, the Pakistani government, the guy who live tweeted the raid as it was taking place and Al Qaeda -- who, by the way, have totally acknowledged that Bin laden is dead. By my count, that theory requires the president to have at least five different superpowers, and twice as many balls. And the media has covered it with a straight face. Nobody is suggesting the theory is true. They're just using it to cut the story of Bin Laden's death. Milk a few more days of traffic and ratings out of it.
The problem is that people seemed to have taken the "pics or it didn't happen" thing to heart. Obama decided not to release the photographs, and in the days since, it's been almost as if the story didn't happen. Everyone expected Obama's approval ratings to soar, but it barely moved, and has since returned to where it was on April 30. Another poll showed that nearly one in five Americans believe Bin Laden is still alive.
The L.A. Times used those poll results to revive the argument that Obama should release the photographs to prove the conspiracy theorists wrong. As though the people who have stood by their conspiracy theory in the face of DNA evidence would look at a picture, and say, "Well, looks like we had it all wrong, Mr. President. Apologies all around." The L.A. Times doesn't seem to realize that "pics or it didn't happen" is only meant to tee your sanity up for the death blow when you finally show them photographic evidence, and they yell "Photoshopped!" and you realize nothing matters and your world might be an elaborate prank.

The president at the precise moment he started to wonder if everyone was just fucking with him.
Of course, whether or not the nation believes a dead person is dead doesn't really matter. We've made it this far with a fifth of America thinking Elvis is still kicking around out there. But if something really important does come down the pike, it's a little unsettling to think of how we'll handle the news. If the Kennedy assassination took place today, the world would have found out when one of the actresses from As The World Turns tweeted "OMG, show's canceled, JFK dead :(," while Cronkite was still making his way to the news desk, trying to decide if he should go to the conspiracy theory that LBJ killed Kennedy right away, or just use it to fill out the second hour.
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For more on how the news media is failing us, check out 6 Subtle Ways The News Media Disguises Bullshit As Fact and 5 Things The Media Loves Pretending Are News.









So, I'm going to be 26 in June.
ReplyWay back in the day-think Jane Eyre or The Importance of Being Earnest-I'd be on my way to spinsterhood since I am not married to a wealthy barron. Now that people live a little longer and a bunch of chick marched around and stood on boxes screaming until the dudes gave them "equal rights", 26 isn't that old, right?
Except, I've never once sent a tweet-I don't even know how. I don't have the slightest idea how this twitter crap works, I only know that it's bad. Very Very bad. I also have never poked anyone on facebook as I don't have one of those either. Poking is something I just did to people cos I felt like it until FB came along and fucked it all up. I can't do it anymore cos people think I'm being ironic or something? Like, who tries to be ironic? Is that really a thing? Plus, I think those people don't really know what the word means. I don't have a blog or any kind of professional profile, or really much of an online presents at all-I have email, I have two actually. Have I become the old out of touch lady at 26?
Like is 26 old again? I don't feel old-I have to wear an arm band in clubs, bars and casinos cos people don't even believe that I'm 18 or 21, let alone 26.
I found out OBL was dead on the 11 O' Clock news by accident (I don't actually watch the news bcos I know we're all gonna kill each other eventually and I don't care to watch the play by play). Am I like my grandma now or something?
HELP!!
Peace, Love and a Pocketful of Sunshine!!!!
~~ASP
They should've said "yes, Osama must be alive because we have only his corpse, not pics of it, you are really smart guys, we are going to take all the army back and will leave that Osama alone in his mountains and secret spots"
ReplyI love how they specifically point out that FEMALE orgasms are impossible while listening to Wolf Blitzer...
Replyi don't think the americans celebrating in the streets was necessary. we've seen footage of the enemy doing the same with the bodies of ally soldiers. becoming like the enemy doesn't help. no matter how right we think we are.
ReplyPersonally, I don't believe Osama Bin Laden should have shot right there and then, he should have been captured, been imprisoned, and THEN be put on trial so he can recieve his proper sentencing. The US is supposed to be a democratic country that functions as a modern nation that respects social justice and human rights, and the RIGHT way to handle that situation was to put Bin Laden on trial just like every criminal should be.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesPersonally I feel that someone responsible for the deaths of thousands should suffer death themselves, maybe the soldiers agreed.
And the duck says, how bout, no......
put on trial? taking people alive is not what socom does.
Ummm...they shot him because he didn't surrender, he opened fire and tried to use women as cover. Alas, Seal Team 6 doesn't have a quicksave feature to reload the scenario until it makes absolutely EVERYONE happy
I still think the funniest part of the whole thing was that he interrupted Donald Trump's show to tell the nation.
ReplyAnother thing you could have listed is how the obsession on how we should react. How much celebration is really appropriate? It's like the media wanted us to happy out our f*****g minds, but to keep it to ourselves. Rediculous.
ReplyWhy should obama be more trustworthy than us "normal" people?
ReplyBecause he's the f*****g president, not Satan. Also, riots and stuff will happen if he's a goddamned dirty liar.
It wouldn't really matter if the government had released pictures, or DNA samples. The conspiracy nuts out there would just go all "Shopped! I can tell by the pixels! Usama's death is a fake!!". People who like to brag that Osama's death was a hoax are just like the nutjobs who say the moon landing was staged, or that 9/11 was an inside job: they simply want to believe what they believe, and they probably won't change their minds even if Jesus himself tries to talk to them. You know, haters gonna hate.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesExcellent use of "nutjobs," "haters," and the drawing of false dichotomies so as not to have to deal with any legitimate questions one could raise about the official story. Oh, and "Jesus" was the icing on the cake. Well played!
Whatever. My point is that everyone will just end up believing whatever the heck they want anyway. Here's an example:
The Wright brothers didn't invent the airplane. The few "witnesses" lied, and all footage of them flying before 1906 is completely fake, and so are any news reports on the event. Now convince me to change my mind if you can.
you sir, are deserving of a goddamned medal. bravo.
TOP 10 REASONS Osama Bin Laden is not the one that was shot:
Reply Hide All See All 4 Replies10) It's been like 10 years you know we need to show some progress.
09) We can use photos from 10 years ago before he shaved and nobody will complain.
08) Pakistan is our friend, or well, are they ? We need to expand this war thingy and Iran is too small.
07) We regret not bombing Pakistan in 2001.
06) Islamabad needs more recognition and tourism, really.
05) Guess what's coming up ? Obama's re-election, yes he didn't.
04) Osama look-a-like found enjoying life in a villa.
03) Osama shot in the face to cover up the fact he is not the real deal.
02) Osama buried at sea so body decomposes fast, leaving less evidence of identity.
01) Osama shaved, re-cultured, re-educated, falsified doc*ments & history after 8 years - BARRACK OBAMA BIN LADEN (Israel's worst enemy).
Is it hard being so witty and clever?
You mean there might exist people that look like Osama bin Laden?
Mind = Blown
Holy shit, I found an article, on cracked, about guy who looks like Osama, and is a Spanish senator. Never find those guys in expensive villas though.
obvious troll is obvious
Honestly, who really gives a s**t if he's dead? He did 9/11, and then f**ked around in a cave or wherever for ten years. He hasn't done anything since then, and really should have just been ignored.
Reply Hide All See All 5 RepliesRight. A murderous psychopath who was the cause of hundreds of Americans' deaths, Americans who had jobs and friends and lives and families, should be allowed to escape and f**k around in a cave. He should totally be ignored. Definitely.
@_Sunny_ Because nobody else who dies because of war or war-like conditions has a job or friends or any family. Nope. The people America and our allies kill? All worthless, lonely, douche bags who have it coming. That's why we give OUR elected psychopath a mansion, so he can f**k around in STYLE, dammit.
@MetaishoSpade Love it
It should be fairly obvious that the consequences of the war on terror have now become greater than the consequences of the terror itself. Even if we ignore the countless hundreds of thousands collaterally damaged because they're just worthless, lonely douche-bags, as Metaisho put it, we have still lost more soldiers, i.e. more American citizens in our apparent quest to avenge the deaths of the Americans who died on 9/11 than died on 9/11. Add to this the trillions of dollars that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost us and the amount of lives that could have been saved by putting that money towards more policeman, firefighters, better healthcare, etc. can be added to the pot as well. This is to ignore entirely the effect that these things have had on civil liberties ...
@MetaishoSpade Sunny wasn't saying that America /its allies shouldn't be prosecuted . Sunny was pointing out that Bin Laden shouldn't be ignored because he could very well try to do that again. Your an asshole. So, what every time a poorer country attacks us or a person from that country we should just ignore them? Thats f*****g great.
Jared Leto, the singer of 30 seconds to mars told me while i watched him perform. LMAO BEST CONCERT EVER. BTW i bet the guy who shot him was like, HOLY s**t WAS THAT BIN LADEN?!
ReplyI was reading a general chat thread on a forum for a webcomic when I first heard. I just think that's hilariously underwhelming.
ReplyI just wanna say Snookie's face in that pic makes me want to punch her in the f**king mouth.
Reply Hide All See All 6 RepliesWho's Snookie?
What's a Snookie?
no need for the '
Yeah there is, "who's" means "who is". Get your s**t straight dog.
Isn't that one of those weird blanket-sweater type things?
@RossF i think it's a snuggie. Completely useless.
one question I ask the conspiracy theorist is Why? Why would they fake his death, why now 10 years later, what would that accomplish? It just makes no sense to do that.
ReplyYou can't necessarily fake your own death, when you've already been dead as f**k for 10 years. But with some doofy look-a-likes and some major media coverage, you can keep the memory of him alive just long enough to get the most possible use out of his whole Boogeyman persona.
I'm expecting a whole slew of reality shows next season revolving around the premise of who will take the 1# spot in Al Qaeda leadership.
"Britain's Got Terrorists", followed shortly by the stateside remakes "America's Next Top Jihadist", "Keeping Up with the Khazikstans"
"The Apprentice : Taliban Edition" and the only one that sticks is "Dancing with the TSA Screeners"
@ G_MON - Is...is this serious? You honestly feel that they had nothing to gain by either killing Osama or faking it? You really don't see the 'why' of it? What world do you live in???!
OMFGOD!! I HATE whenever there's a reference to the WWE, f**king SNOOKI is always in the picture. I don't even know why she was at Wrestlemania, it makes no sense having her there. I hate her in her FACE.
ReplyI am from Pakistan and well, the way i hear it here and have been for quiet sometime is that he died sometime ago. He had some medical condition and needed constant care or something so it is unlikely he survived all these years.
Reply Hide All See All 12 RepliesThe fact that the US government decided to not show the pictures of a man they finally got after whom they started two wars for which resulted in hundreds of thousands dead, countless others who suffered also, and spent 2 trillion dollars- simply because the pictures were too gruesome? In case people do not remember the pictures of Sadams's sons were also quiet gruesome and even their body's were shown. Heck even the video of Sadam's hanging got leaked.
And yet the US Government thought it was too gruesome?
As for the DNA evidence - where is it? Who has seen it and who has authenticated it?
As regards to the issue of the Pakistani Government being involved etc, many people in ISI (Pakistani Intelligence Agency) including the former DG ISI have said repeatedly that he has died. Even the ex-President General Musharraf said Osama had died of natural causes in sometime ago. One of the Iranian official also stated something similar.
Yes, the point of contention is whether or not he is dead, rather whether he was killed in this raid or had he been dead for sometime now.
Personally I doubt the US Government would have given so much room for speculation if they had his body. Regardless, one can only speculate now until something conclusive is brought forward...
p.s. why I don't just take the word of the US Government? Well remember C. Powell and the WMDs and Iraq and Al-Qaida and all that evidence and satellite photos?
Thank you very much for that breath of fresh air. For the sake of keeping things in an honest and civilized manner, I hope this comment is taken into more far more consideration by any fortunate readers to have come across it, rather than try to disregard your sincere statement as lies and disinformation.
Unfortunately this is Cracked and there's never a shortage of a few mouth breathers and s**t-heads who will jump on you just because you said Pakistan.
I hate to break it to you, but most (adult, reasonable, non-conspiracy-loony) American's are more trusting of our own elected officials than we are of the government of a 3rd world borderline failed-state like the c**k-up amusingly termed a "country" Pakistan.
And of COURSE the Pakistani "intelligence" agency is claiming Bin Laden wasn't there. Otherwise they are forced to admit that they are so corrupt/hilariously bad at their jobs that the most wanted man in the world was able to chill out in a mansion in a suburb of one of the countries largest cities.
Lianin - Ever seen the movie "Wag the Dog" with Dustin Hoffman and Robert Deniro? Not too farfetched in this day and age. Hoaxes and atrocious war crimes are constantly perpetrated by our very own corrupt (and terrible at their job) government. The very same way propaganda is on a continual loop in other lesser developed countries, all it takes is the repetition of the story and in time becomes the "official" truth. Whether it happened that way or not.
It's easy to be dismissive of anything associated with conspiracies and other alternative perspectives because it implies suspension of disbelief in the scripted nonsense coming from the White House, that goes through revisions that get absurd and more sensational every day. It's a movie in the works waiting to be put out by Jerry Bruckheimer and the Disney Corp. and nothing more.
So, um, don't stop believing unconditionally or whatever. f**k it. Figure it out the hard way. Peace
On the contrary, JasonVorhees. They're not going to jump on him because he said Pakistan. They're going to jump on him because the entire idea is just f**king ludicrous.
Says who? The Ministry of Truth? CNN, FoxNews, and Facebook said so?
It might as well be the tabloids because those puppethead newscasters will break into a story about celebrity gossip with the same amount of passion and intensity as the rest of the stuff.
"Chicago airports are being evacuated over a mysterious text message... blah blah.... the L.A. Subway systems might be under attack this 3-day weekend... blah blah blah.. STOP EVERYTHING! JUSTIN BEIBER'S NEW HAIRCUT FOXNEWS EXCLUSIVE, WE'RE BRINGING YOU LIVE TO THE TOUR BUS RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK, OHMYGOD IT'S REALLY HIM!!!! JUUUUUSSSTTTTTTTIIIIIIIINNNNNN WHOOOOOOOOO!
Says who? How about common sense? In order to pull off a hoax of this magnitude the US would have to have, at the very least, Al Qaeda, Pakistan, every single news organization in the entire world and Usama bin Laden himself in on it.
Conspiracy theories definitely have their place. A Government without secrets would be unable to function in the modern world so there is ALWAYS something they're not telling us. But you really have to pick your battles. Something of this nature is just ridiculous.
Neslon- To the All-Inclusive Power's That Be, this is mere child's play.
An investment for future endeavors of which they will only make more obvious and omnipresent as time rolls on.
Everything from word go has been a calculated barrage of conflicting information and pro-war propaganda, and it's all spewing from the mouth pieces of untrustworthy non-entities such as military intelligence.
It's the individuals choice whether they choose to swallow this whole "epic saga" as the absolute truth not to be questioned, or whether it sounds like just another desperate grab at attention.
Ok. So the US lies that Bin Laden died. I am with you, totally, they have more s**t in their pants than a baby's full diaper.
Pakistan are all raging because US sneak attack. Well, may be that could have happen, but who can know for sure. People will say that they feel certain way but does anyone really know how they feel? They could be mad at the US for something else, you know. Pakistan can be considered as a woman name.
Some Pakistani officials are on verge of resignation. Hmm, that could be a deep sacrifice to cover a lie but it could happen. The US government is all-powerful and will cover lie using any means necessary.
The Taliban vow revenge on the US for the death of Usama. Well, maybe they are really into this make up stuffs. After all, they are just saying that, right?
The Taliban killed off 80 people in Pakistan. Screw it, it's definitely that the US sneaked in and killed Usama Bin Laden.
Hmmp. BUT, big BUT, that just doesn't feel right.
Orrrr....... May beeee..... everything was reported by every major news outlet, individuals, bloggers, and stupid tweeters in Pakistan are lying. Yes.
How can people live so blindly with such major loopholes ? Really, who can truly say the know something is an absolute truth for sure?
As said in the article, Al Qaeda admitted the raid got Bin Laden. As in not medical conditions. A lot of the more "threatening" conditions were also bulls**t. Not releasing the picture is actually an intelligent step (granted people want to see it), because you can bet that Al Qaeda would take that picture, turn it into posters, and use it as motivational fodder for their radical recruits.
Yes, we authorized a dangerous mission that was garunteed to piss off an ally just so we could claim to kill someone who was dead for years.
Just because we showed pictures for another "victory" (whatever tHAT means") does NOT entail that when pictures are not shown that the event must be fake. Furthermore, a "leak" being absent also doesn't mean it definitely didn't happen. Furthermore, there is a difference between a lie and misinformed. Bush made the decision based on the DOD cabinet member's recommendation, which is itself based on the head of CIA's intellgence, itself being based on the analysts' cooperation and constant stuff they normally do. With satellite mapping, you can only view the builings and structures, infer what they are based on video, historical evidence, political climates, hell even psychological analysis of the person of interest to make that judgment and submit to the head. Who passes that info along to the DOD. It isn't that Bush lied. It was because the analysts had to make a call. The problem with private and sensitive govt. work, especially the CIA, is that if they do their job right, you don't really hear about it. If they f**k, up, it's huge news.
That said, you have good points about the discrepancies in reporting, about whether the man they really killed was Osama. Problem is, I cannot and will not base my opinion of it solely because evidence was not given. I can make a judgment about evidence provided, but not necessarily (there are many exceptions)due to lack of evidence.
I don't really understand something. DNA evidence. That gets thrown around a lot because it sounds super definitive, knowing that Americans watch a lot of forensic sciencey detective dramas right now. But, okay. How would that work exactly? Did they take a hair sample from his dead body and then ship it off to a lab so that they could extract DNA and then compare it to a database with matches ... which would have had Osama Bin Laden's genetic information IN IT ALREADY?????? Did they plan this? Did they say to him ten years ago, hey, so would you mind leaving us a hair sample for our DNA database in case we kill you and need to prove to the public that it was really you? And someone else mentioned below that DNA evidence doesn't indicate that someone is dead. Does it? Is there some molecular technique I'm not aware of that can identify this?
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesThey matched it with his sister or mother. I don't remember which.
two words: Fingerprint tests. Same concept. You're arrested and they take your prints in case you are in a crime during a later date. Now, we are also taking DNA from criminals. And of course they planned for it! They knew they would need evidence to identify Osama some time in the future, so they took it.
Also, no DNA doesn't indicate whether someone is dead or not, but the concern isn't if the person is dead, but if the person who is dead is not Osama.
If someone doesn't have a DNA sample on file they do a family test and take a sample from a family member and compare it. So unless Usama bin Laden had a previously unknown identical twin brother who was the same height, build and had the same kidney disease the family test would be definitive in this case.
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Osama still being alive is obviously nonsensical, since he could score a HUGE propaganda victory right now by releasing another tape. There's no reason whatsoever for him to go along with the US's story.
ReplyAs for the theory that Osama's been dead for years...OK, so why pretend to kill him now? You can argue the Bush administration wanted to use him as a boogeyman so they could continue the war on terror (though it really wouldn't have been hard to announce that he was dead, score a propaganda win, and then point out all the Al Qaeda agents who were still out there), but then if Obama was inclined otherwise, why did they wait so long? Why not pull this s**t in the middle of the healthcare debate, or right before the midterm elections? Or, for that matter, why fake it this long before the general election, when America's short attention span will surely have voters saying "Sure, he killed Bin Laden, but what has he done for me LATELY?" It just makes no goddamn sense.
Politicians are sleazy liars, sure, but that's a pretty rickety basis on which to build a towering edifice of paranoid bulls**t.
Waiting for someone to say that.. Surprised I had to go this far down. That is the trump card for me(Why Bin Laden wouldn't release a tape to make America look REALLY bad)
The most glaringly important single fact for me is that Al Queda admitted that he was killed by the attack. That alone trumps any other suggested scenarios where it might have been faked.
Effin' hillarious.
ReplyAnd I found out on Wikipedia.