The 4 Most Important Things to Know as a Gamer Parent

So, I realized then that being vigilant about my kids' gaming was going to require me to do some actual, strenuous parenting beyond simply trying to banish games from their lives and washing their eyes out with soap.
I needed to treat my games the same way I treat television. When my kids watch movies or TV shows, they do it in a room where I can easily supervise the content (it's one advantage of having a small place with one TV). And when inappropriate situations pop up, we talk about it.
So, I put in Fable II and signed in.

At first, it sure enough looked like a kids' game with cartoony graphics and some decent, offbeat humor. It was somewhat fun, but nothing special.

Then the first big cut scene started, and just as Drew exited the bathroom, I witnessed my six or seven year old character get shot in the chest and blown out of the top of a castle tower. My son giggled and said, "I love that part."
I turned and stared at him for a few concern-filled seconds and then told him to comb his hair and get dressed. He asked, "Did you rename your dog yet? You can use the dog collar to change his name if you want."
"Oh. No, I didn't know that. But I'm not concerned with it. His name is just fine as-is."

I spent the next couple of hours in the game, kicking chickens and giggling. Eventually Drew asked, "Did you get to the part where you have to listen to the starving guy beg for food for three minutes?"
That's a real part of the game, I would later find out. They actually time you, and your entire goal is to stand there and look him in the eyes as he begs for his life, while doing nothing to help him. You literally put down the controller and the game makes you just sit there and listen to him beg you to not let him die.
I said, "I just got to the part where you find the cross-dressing guy at the Temple of Light. He wanted me to go into his home in the cave and kill a bunch of monsters..."
My son snickered. "Oh, man. There's something really creepy in that cave. Did you find it yet?"
"I... I'm not sure," I said, scanning the room.
"Oh, you'll know it when you see it. It's over there by his bed. It's creepy."
I moved across the room, and there it was.

A dead baby in a crib.
See, this is what I'm talking about. At what age were you ready to see this? Because it just freaked the shit out of me and I've seen the Gene Simmons sex tape.
And you'd never even know it was there if you didn't stop and carefully examine the surroundings. No camera stopped to point it out. No narrative brings it to the player's attention. It's just there, hinting at an incredibly gruesome untold story.
What if they took out all of the other adult stuff from the game -- the condoms, the group sex -- and just had this. What rating would it get? If I played through the entire game to pre-approve it for my kid, I would have missed the dead baby completely. But you'll notice that Drew had no problem finding it. And he was deliberate in pointing it out to me. I'm still not sure he didn't find a way to hack the game and put it there himself, as a cryptic message to me. Or a warning.

Very slowly, I reached down and shut the game off. When I turned back, I did so the way one would turn on a crouched guard dog. My children stared at me in emotionless silence.
"Hey, uh... why... why don't we all get ready for bed?"
They nodded in unison, never taking their eyes away from mine.
"You know... if you want. If you feel like staying up... you don't have to... I... I think I'm just going to go lie down."

These things didn't come up in the old days of gaming. There weren't a bunch of complicated conversations with my parents when I played my Magnavox Odyssey with "Shooting Gallery" in the late 1970s. Even if it did come with a gun that looked like you could totally kill a dude with it.

Those were simple games, and even right up through the SNES days you didn't find many games intent on exploring themes about death and loss and morality and dildos and dead babies.
And my parents and I didn't play them together much. It was, after all, just a toy. My parents maybe would play it every once in a while, and even enjoy it, like a parent jumping on a trampoline with their kid. But the grown-up who would go out to the yard, alone, and jump on the trampoline for eight straight hours would wind up in a straightjacket. But fast forward to today, to my household, and you see both my children and I spend far more time playing games than watching television.
The same games.

That's me on the right
This is a good thing.
Gaming, I've now realized, gives my children and I something a lot of us didn't have with our parents -- common ground. In generations past you'd have a kid sneaking rock and roll music behind the back of his fundamentalist parents, and waiting until they went to bed to read gory horror comics under the blanket with a flashlight. It's not like that for us. Because we're both gamers, we speak the same language. It can open up a whole new channel of communication, and bring you closer... if you're willing to do it.
That shared experience became a chance to talk about subjects and situations that otherwise wouldn't have come up. That's what I've learned from my Fable II debacle. We can use it as a chance to talk about, for instance, why things you do in a game would get you locked up in the real world, and how zombies aren't real, but Nazis are. We can talk about how to handle the douchebag insulting him in WoW. And we can talk about why he's not allowed to play some of the games Dad plays.
As far as I see it, it's my duty as a parent. But make no mistake, if my son rolls a tank and can't hold aggro, I'm calling him an incompetent cockhole, right to his goddamn face. It's my duty as a gamer.








Brilliant article. If only all parents were as intelligent about gaming as you are.
ReplyThe part about "rolls a tank" I totally get. That's what happens when you try to drive your tank down a steep embankment at an angle - you risk rolling it. Everyone knows that when you drive your tank up or down a steep bank, you go straight up or down, or you risk rolling it. It's like in the tank section of that booklet the DMV gives you to study for your tank driving test.
ReplyWhich, by the way, totally unrealistic. They don't have people shooting at your or anything, just maneuvering the tank without crushing regular cars along the way, and if you aren't crushing cars while driving your tank in downtown traffic, what's the point of driving it in the first place?
The "holding aggro" part is what puzzles me. I assume it refers to agriculture in some manner, perhaps picking your crops at the right time before they spoil in a farming sim? But why would you do that with a tank? Is there a game out there where you can plow a field by pulling that . . . whatever that thing tractors pull to plow a field . . . with a tank instead of a tractor? And can you shoot at other farmers out plowing their fields with tanks to disrupt their economy (I'm assuming this is a real-time-strategy-tank-farming game, or an RTSTF), create a scarcity in the commodities market (I'm also assuming this is a game that involves trading commodities) so as to increase the price of your own pears? Or soybeans, or whatever you plow a field with, the point being that plowing a field with a tank while shooting at other farmers using tanks (because screw those guys) would be a pretty cool thing to do in a game.
My point being, why don't I have this game? Where is my farming with a tank while killing other farmers with tanks game (you don't kill the one's using tractors because that would be tacky)?
Wait, is this in Fable II? Because I've had that for about a year and haven't gotten around to playing it because I'm roughly a thousand hours into Kingdoms of Amalur and just recently left the starting village.
Spent a half hour on that torture 2 game. Thanks Cheese good stuff!
ReplyThis was great. I am glad to see an intelligent article about this big "issue". My son is three and he has been playing games with my boyfriend and I since he could hold his own controller. He used to get pissed because we would give him a controller that didn't work! lol Kids are not stupid, they know when the light doesn't come on on the "X" in the center of the 360 controller, it doesn't work. And when there's only one character on the screen, he's not playing lol
ReplyAnyway, this seems to be a big issue for some people, but I don't see why.My three year old watches my boyfriend play Battlefeild 3, Modern Warfare 3, Diablo 2, etc, etc. all the time. Hell, he's even played Call of Duty himself! We saved his first double kill like he had just graduated college. Saved the video clip and showed all our friends. He shot two people in the face with a shotgun......*tear....we were so proud. I still wonder how those guys would react if they foudn out they were killed by a three year old....
And Gears of War 2 and 3. He's played both of those. Does he run around trying to kill all of his tiny friends? No. He is THREE and he knows that the video game is not reality. He is one of the sweetest, best behaved children I know. He says "please" and "thank you", goes to bed when asked, and puts on the puppy dog face for candy. He is still a child.
So, thank you, John Cheese, for writing this amazing article, because sometimes it is hard being a gaming parent. You don't honestly know what to tell your kids sometimes and you often wonder what society will think of you for letting yoru young ones play violent games, but I decided a long time ago that my son is not going to be raised by society and their standards, but by ME and my standards. And, needless to say, my standards say he can do this shit. He can stay up until 12 until he starts school, he can have pizza for breakfast, he watch scarey movies (and when I say scarey, I don't mean The Nightmare Before Christmas, I mean Silent Hill, Devil, etc, etc...), and he can f*****g play video games.
It's not my position to give parenting advice, but...wow. Just, wow.
Yeahhhhhhh....not sure if you really 'got' this article...just sayin'
Incompetent cockhole got me.
ReplyGreat, you made me Google "dildo ninja" to see if that was a real thing. So now I have that in my history. Wonderful.
ReplyI've never played a game or even heard of popular/legal/mass-produced games with such perverse actions in them. That's too much sex and I'm warning you it's bad for kids. But my question is,"who finds these games fun?". And besides that so fun that they'll buy it? Oh and I'm in my early twenties and glad I never knew. I can't believe people find them fun.Yuck.
ReplyWhat data shows that it's bad for kids? Because my neighbor had so much non-age-appropriate crap in his room, it was piled up to the same level as his bed. I played GTA for the first time when I was about 7 (and spent the entire time hitting hookers with a baseball bat) and my cousin and I had been watching Family Guy and Futurama long before that. Also, the internet exists. And all of us turned out just fine.
Unless of course you just didn't realize that that isn't the actual cover from Fable II, in which case you just don't understand what Photoshop is. Dildo Samuri is also not a real thing.
Troll harder. Please do.
Yeah, I agree with Digit, We kids find it obvious that It's fake, and therefor we can handle it. While there are occasional psychopaths that don't understand, you really won't be finding me, my friends, or really anyone killing each other because we loved it when the Lone wanderer beheaded Angela Staley for the fun of it.
ReplyAlso I would like to point out that I'm 14. When I was 7 I had not only played "violent" (they where mainly things like street fighter) but I had infact MADE violent video games. All my friends thought it was amazing, even though it made Pac-Man look loke Battlefield 3. >=/\P
I'm 26, female, run a video game store with my dad (who owns it and is 46) and the only arguments that my boyfriend and I ever get into is about who's turn it is to game. Just some background.
ReplyMy dad and I watch R rated movies when I was in elementary school but funny enough...any of the violence was fine but as soon as a sex scene came on it was "turn your head" and he'd fast forward. I always thought this was funny lol
I was never told I couldn't play a game. My first real gaming was on the PS1 and all the lovely blood and gore that came with games like Resident Evil, Dino Crisis, Parasite Eve, and then games like Final Fantasy 7 (swear words, scenes involving the characters threatening another characters balls etc...) I was maybe 10 and 11 when those all came out. Then the glorious PS2 years with GTA games while I was in middle school and high school. Yes, as a girl, I had sex with hookers and then ran them over to get my money back.
We never even really talking about it like "Do you understand what is going on in this scene?" It was more of "Yeah people who take video games so seriously already have problems, it's a stupid game!"
My point being, people think kids are stupid but because they've grown up with video games and graphic movies, if anything they're desensitized to FAKE violence. Kids pretty much get that it's fake and can handle it. And if they can't then they've probably got some problems already :/
"..because they've grown up with video games and graphic movies, if anything they're desensitized to FAKE violence. Kids pretty much get that it's fake and can handle it. And if they can't then they've probably got some problems already."
Thank you. I wish more major media outlets understood this. Though what's on the news any given day is just as bad, and people rarely censor that around their kids...
I think video games should just be held in the same categories as TV and movies about content. If you can't distinguish fiction from what is socially acceptable, you should not be unsupervised in public anyway.
I meant to add that video games are a choice of entertainment just the same as movies, or tv, and so should get only the same reactions from parents or the media. It isn't letting me edit.
I remember being about 9 or 10 and playing doom all day long, and thinking what was the best way to shoot monsters so they would explode instead of just dropping dead. I have now a 4 year old boy who today asked me when could we go again to my friend's house to play MK9 on the xbox. He's not violent, he's as sweet and innocent as any 4 year old would be, he knows the difference between a game and real things... kids aren't stupid, I even think they're usually way more intelligent than grown ups, but I agree good communication is the key to achieve this. Loved the article :)
ReplyI agree! :D
Okay for all of the gamers that are out there that don't have kids, you would not understand anything in this blog. Sorry but you won't and even your dumb ass comments about 'morals and don't blame the game" I am a game and have been since I was 5 and my husband and kids are gamers but I will not let my kids play or even see games that are not good for them. I mean really I am not a bad mom at all but I won't let my son treat a woman on a game like s**t because he can. I have my kids playing the best game ever and it is one that I loved dearly and it's Legend of Zelda. I feel that for them right now it's a great game for them and I hunt for the kid friendly games for them, because the world we live in is already fucked up. And you can get your kids ready for the real world but do it correctly. I won't keep them under lock and key with games or life but they need to know that it is a game is well a game and that real life is not like your game.
Reply Hide All See All 3 Repliesmaybe i dont have kids no, but i have a cousin thats 10 years youngher than me and im 18...
he has a brother thats 10 years youngher than my sister whos 14 now...
thats 4,8,14,18.
i wouldnt feel any guilt playing gta iv in front of both of them... hell even letting them try...
and i doubt my uncle would get mad at it... he has plaed, and i has to, gta sa with the older of those 2 for a couple of years.. its not violence thats the problem... thats just fun stuff...
were it becomes a good idea to go down low is with sexual themes... so no i wont play saints row 3 in front of them... well or maybe i will but not with streaking even though its fun as hell...
again violence isnt a problem... sex is... for the youngher ones i mean, therefore yeah the condom one is a good example, and i wouldnt recommend dildo ninja either
hell im not even sure if fallout 3/NV is beyond..., nor do i think me3s headshots (the heads go off, disappear) would be a problem.
In my entire life of when ive played games theres only 2 that scared me enoguh to not play them... both ps1, one of them was a silent hill game (something about a zombie, and considering how that series feel i think its that one)
ad the other was abes odyssee, too hard and getting shot creeped me out... maybe i will see if i can find the former game again adn face my fear...
hmm thanks for letting me write this.
i play gta 4, resident evil, AND mortal kombat in front of my brothers faces ( who are now 14 and 12) and they dont give a f**k even when they were younger ( 5 to 7) i still did all that...and they enjoyed playing and watching...cuz they know the difference between real life...and the virtual world...prick
Apparently having younger siblings makes Vegito and Tacoim more qualitied to speak on raising children than an actual parent...
I gave my niece "The Sims" when she was eight, because I played it, and knew it was perfectly safe for a kid her age. Within two days, she learned to dump unwanted Sims into the pool and remove the ladder...and she DID NOT HAVE THE INTERNET TO TELL HER TO DO THAT.
ReplyShe's 20 now, in college, and not a felon.
Ha, I love the first picture in the article. As if Nintendo would release anything with that much blood. Either that, or that kid is some sort of real life Jimmy Neutron, and he made a way to plug controllers into other consoles. In that case, he's really smart, since Gamecube controllers are cheap nowadays. Way to stick it to the man and keep that extra $50, kid!
ReplyPeople always seem to overlook Eternal Darkness.
Kids.
Wait until you get Fable III...
ReplyWow. Parent "gamers" are way to sensitive about games and things like that. I was introduced to gaming when I was 5. To WWE games. If parents baby up their children this much, they won't be ready for the adult world, and what their classmates are saying at school. Fable 2 is my favorite game , so I actually know better. You can choose to feed the prisoner, and if your child doesn't choose to, it's not the games fault, it's yours for not teaching them better morals. That erm... reproduction you were talking about is optional, and your child shouldn't be choosing to do that either way. Also, if your to prove your point about the games innappropriatness, at least be truthful. I know I'm taking this way too seriously, but the author seems to be too..
ReplyOr you can stab the criminal in the throat and take what you want by force, like in Dragon Age. And how does it fall on you for not "teaching them better morals" when there are games that reward you for being evil? I guess Infamous isn't in your kid's collection, huh? Just The Smurfs and Nintendogs, right? Oh but wait, you can choose not to bathe your dogs in Nintendogs, so clearly you'd be a terrible person for buying that.
Suddenly I remember that the first game I knew was MK2 and that by age 5 I used to sit by my dad in front of the PC and make him play so I could see the Fatalities... and that I named my fem. dog Mileena because of the female characters hers was the one I liked the most... Kind of creepy in retrospect. But it's true that good communication is the most important part in the dynamic. And marking a clear line between game and reality.
ReplyYour kids will grow up cool unless you spoil them with your Cracked riches.
ReplyIt obviously wasn't your intent, but this was the best advertisement for Fable II I've ever seen. I am immediately ordering that s**t on Amazon right now.
ReplyKids are gonna see violence and nudity no matter what. When they go to school, the 'cool kids' are going to talk about their kill streak in Assasins Creed or their Achievements in Saints Row. It's impossible now to completely keep a child's 'innocence' so I say just let them play and try to teach them that they shouldn't try and emulate it in reality. That is... unless you keep them in a windowless house in the middle of nowhere and don't allow them to bathe or use the bathroom without taking their clothes off.
ReplyThis comment makes no sense and I just wanted to say something.
Oh god I was messing around with a friends copy of the newest Saints Row and it is definitely not for kids. The character was naked, used a giant dildo as a weapon, I turned everyone into drunken zombies and was beating them to death with the dildo Lol
This is an excellent article, loved it and all the jokes. I'll have to show it to my sister who has a toddler.
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