Why You Should Beware of Schools from Late Night TV Ads
Kids, do you want to grow up and design video games for a living? Adults, do you want to quit your chumpy job and realize your dream of being an animator or a chef? You might have been tempted by ads like this one.
This ad provides a rare insider's look at the workings of professional game designers, who apparently create games through stilted conversation while working on a TV screen, with another player, using XBox controllers.

Through game design school, you too can learn to participate in brilliant collaborative discussions like these that are no doubt buzzing through the offices of Valve and Blizzard daily:
Designer A: So where do you think this guy should move?
Designer B: I'd say... this way.
Or if games aren't your thing, maybe you're tempted by this ITT Tech ad which offers computer security training at a school that apparently thinks identity thieves usually steal information off their own computers, or work out of cars in empty parking garages.

But whatever. Cheesy, stupid ads don't necessarily mean the product is no good, and an easy ticket to making Halo games is something it wouldn't hurt to check out, right? So why not call?
You might as well walk around downtown LA at night waving $40,000 in the air. The end result will be about the same, except with more brochures and slightly fewer knife wounds.

The first person you'll talk to is a recruiter, or "enrollment counselor". The recruiter is less like a college admissions rep ("Why should I let you in?") and more like a used car salesman ("How can I get you to walk out of here today with a shiny new student loan?") They are literally trained to use your deepest fears and weakness against you. You know, the same technique Batman uses against criminals.

"Prospective students are a superstitious and cowardly lot."
In an interview with Frontline, one former counselor said: "I didn't realize just how many students we were expected to recruit. They used to tell us, you know, 'Dig deep. Get to their pain. Get to what's bothering them. So, that way, you can convince them that a college degree is going to solve all their problems."

They literally operate like a car dealership, with your salesperson sometimes going back to their manager and coming up with a "new offer" if you're reluctant to sign the regular contract, as one military vet found out when signing up at ITT.
As for what's pushing the recruiters to be such assholes - their back office sounds less like a school office and more like Glengarry Glen Ross.

"Coffee is for closers, Batman."
At some schools, recruiters are pressured to meet a quota, and threatened with firing if they didn't. Other schools have been sued for basing recruiter pay on how many students they signed up, including University of Phoenix.

Considering these schools cost an average of seven times more than community college (or more, with $493 per credit hour at a Dallas ITT compared to $41 at the local community college), you're probably not going to be able to pull that $40K tuition from your pocket.

I hope it's going to solid gold laptops for every student.
But that's cool, because they've got loans. Their financial aid office is extremely good at hooking you up with loans, even loans you don't actually qualify for. That's how good they are.

"Just check 'African-American' right there."
Supposing you're lucky enough to not get caught up in a government probe into student loan fraud, however, you still have to deal with the actual loan. Will you be able to pay it off?
Well, that depends who you are talking to - a sane person or an admissions representative. Despite schools claiming that it's against policy for recruiters to make promises about future pay, forums everywhere are full of ex-ITT Tech students (for example) all saying the same thing: they were promised they'd make more than enough money to pay off the loans.
In a 60 Minutes story on for-profit schools, one of Career Education Corporation's former admissions reps admitted it: "We're selling you that you're gonna have a 95 percent chance that you are gonna have a job paying $35,000 to $40,000 a year by the time they are done in 18 months. We later found out it's not true at all."
An applicant at WyoTech was sold on a 90% placement rate and $50-$70K a year and is now making $12/hr weatherizing houses, which actually makes him better off than hundreds of other ex-students posting complaints across different forums and consumer complaint sites and news accounts.

Some of the many exciting career opportunities your trade school education opens the door to.
So what are the actual job placement rates? How many graduates have found their way to cushy game chairs at EA? Nobody knows. The only ones keeping track are the schools and they don't seem to want to make it public except in cryptic riddle form in the fine print of giant ads.
But there's clues here and there. As of 2009, for-profit students (9% of all post-secondary students) represented 44% of all student loans defaulting within 3 years, hinting that perhaps graduates of these schools don't quite have the earning power they were promised.

Well, what with the economy and all, it's not their fault the school can't control the job market. At least they're doing their best to give you an education worth your money, right?
They'll sure act like it! Part of the game (the game of Let's Pretend We're Quality Education) is making it look like the school is selective and tough. Before you're even in, many recruiters will pretend to grill students for admission when all they really need to test is whether you have a pulse. As one counselor said, "They were enrolling people who don't speak English, who tell you they have a very serious learning disability. It's like, 'Yeah, uh-huh, can you sign up for a loan? Then you're going to school.'" Accounts from for-profit schools across the board mirror this one, including ITT Tech and DeVry.

"Stoner, you're in. Chimp with a hat, you're in. Recently unfrozen caveman, you're in."
A 60 Minutes reporter went undercover to apply for a medical assistant program to see exactly what it would take to not get admitted. She presented terrible grades, admitted to prior drug use, said she "had a problem with blood," and flunked the test (7 out of 50). They gave her a second test to take (14 out of 50) and said, Welcome to the program!"

... what kind of problem with blood?
Then once you're in, they won't let you leave, which is flattering until you realize they just see you as a money fountain they can't let walk away. There are two ways to retain students - offer tutoring and other services to help them out if they're in trouble, or the easy way: just give them passing grades no matter what, like ITT.
One student at California Culinary Academy, possibly mentally or learning disabled, was passed through class after class until he reached his final semester without being able to boil water. I haven't been to chef school and I've already almost mastered that.

Almost.

One red flag that might come up during your recruiting session is that after the rep has told you how perfect the school is and why you'd never want to get out, they suddenly turn around and promise you can get out whenever you want, by transferring to a regular college. Kind of an odd thing to say, but okay, sounds like you're safe either way.

Unfortunately it's a lie. The biggest, most unanimous complaint against ITT Tech specifically (and other schools in general) is that students were promised by recruiters that credits would transfer to public universities. They don't. Even ITT's website says so.

Also in fine print
ITT of course claims its recruiters would never promise students that, so all we have are hundreds of accounts of students claiming they were in fact told that, like this one. Once they wise up and realize the school isn't for them, they get a nasty shock when they try to transfer to a state school and realize they just wasted a year or more of work and tuition.

"Aww, we only take credits from real schools, sweetie."
The credits don't transfer because most trade schools have "national accreditation" which sounds like it's better than "regional accreditation," when ironically enough, it's the regional kind that schools like Harvard and University of Ohio and your local junior college have - and accept.
National accreditation is actually a joke. A Department of Education official likened it to the way credit rating agencies work on Wall Street. If you've been living in a cave for the last three years, that's not a compliment.

So you've escaped from a for-profit school, maybe wasted some time and money you'll never get back, but lesson learned. You'll never get hoodwinked by one of those scams again. This time you're going to apply to a real school that's been around a while.
Or has it?

DUN DUN DUN
The for-profits have one more trick up their sleeve. Sometimes, instead of starting new schools, they just buy an existing school in financial trouble. Maybe an existing school with regional accreditation. ITT and other for-profit education companies have bought 16 "real schools" for their accreditation since 2004. They keep the name and promise to continue business as usual, which really means ITT business as usual.
Career Education Corp. one-upped them by not only buying out the prestigious but financially-troubled Calilfornia Culinary Academy but also negotiating a deal with the famous French cooking school Le Cordon Bleu, where they pay the Frenchies $14 million a year year to put the Cordon Bleu name on their shitty schools.

A quick Google search reveals that "cordon bleu" means "stuffed with ham and cheese," which is an important quality in a school.
If you've heard of the California Culinary Academy, the recruiters will find you suitably impressed by its alumni and tradition. If you've never heard of the CCA, they'll tell you about the Le Cordon Bleu school in Paris and maybe show you some clips from Ratatouille, and soon you'll imagine yourself cooking pate de foie gras instead of helping your classmate boil water.

So let's just leave it at this:
No matter what the name of the school is or what it used to be, if the admissions rep is trying to sell you the program in the same way Crazy Pat tries to sell you a used pickup truck, you should probably get out of there and go pick up a community college catalog.
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You can't fail? Holy crap...maybe those schools really are for me. Failure is my specialty after all.
ReplyI feel embarrassed to say this, but well, I like DeVry. Im going to a school that I like (a good part on financial aid, but a manageable amount in loans) and enjoy the free software I get. I've also attended job fairs through the school. While Im not saying they are the best college ever, with the jobs I work (usually 40+ hrs) I'm happy with my classes. I know what I was getting into when I started down the path towards game design (cause you know,my friends and I designed [simple] games in middle school), and am still happy with the path that I'm on. Im not spam or an ad, I just wanted to post one honest, positive example amongst the flood of horror storys. Okay trolls, have at me. I've had my say. Also I speaking of tests to get into classes, Im involved in Web Game Programming (facebook style games) until I can retest for game and simulation programming, because I missed ONE (the limit was two) too many questions, the class Im taking is less costly than the one I wanted to, and I STILL plan on trying again once my second (and last) chance comes upon me.
ReplyThis is why I come to CRACKED: Top-notch investigative reporting! I'll go to CNN for my humor! Still, by itself, it's a good article.
ReplyMore people need to learn about this sort of thing. Why isn't this taught to high schoolers when reps come in and push the importance of college?
ReplyAlso... the Art Institutes are regionally accredited. I feel like they exhibit some of the signs but I'm not sure how legit it is. Is there a good way to look up schools and their validity?
The reason you don't learn about it in high school because it begs the question: "How is this school accredited?" You would be really surprised if you found out.
In some cases, the schools are bought out. When I was a senior in High School (2008), our government class had an "admissions officer" (sales rep) from Collins College come in and push their technology programs. I nearly bit my tongue off trying to hold back the urge to angrily shut down all the bullshit.
I have a friend who had the misfortune of running into one of those "counselors". When he gave polite reasons to decline, like, that he had no freaking time to waste on a useless degree/scrap paper, the counselor actually told him that it was ok, they'd mark his attendance as usual, and even do his coursework for him.
ReplyUnbelievable. And hilarious too, but also very sad.
Fuck! This article just gives me a cold, sad feeling inside. Why does almost everything that's for-profit ends up being of the soul-stealing variety? I'm not trying to be one of those "CAPITALISM IS EVIL!" people, but...sometimes it is, I guess. Great article.
Reply Hide All See All 6 RepliesIt's not evil, it's natural. I think it was Bucholz or Brockway that said it the best: Corporations are like tigers. If you go to the zoo and get mauled, you don't go to Indonesia and complain about murderous tigers, you sue the zoo for leaving the cage unlocked. Corporations are amoral entities driven only by the desire for profit, and like any predator, they will f**k you over if they aren't constrained.
Don't blame the corporation, blame the government for letting the corporation f**k people over.
Last I checked, corporations were made up of people. Generally we're taught to hold adult people with the proper mental faculties accountable for their actions. Yes, they need to be constrained, but it's a f*****g disgrace that they do.
No, I think I'll blame both. People who work for corporations don't suddenly become tigers. It was a really f*****g stupid metaphor for Bucholz/Gladstone whoever to make at the time and it's a really f*****g stupid thing for you to say now; to imply that corporations *should* be trying to screw you over and if you get screwed, it's your fault for not assuming they would. Jesus, people, how have we made it this far and not seen what a mind-blowingly insane model that is?
Actually it's a reasonable, if simplified, analogy. Of course people don't suddenly become ruthless, non-empathic bastards when they start working for corps, but without sufficient regulation a singularity of approach will inevitably set in and compromise aspects of general societal well-being. Such regulation of course includes legal action against corps and individuals within them where necessary (violating environmental regulations, e.g.). As well as this, people in the highest positions within corps will tend to be of a particularly money-driven nature, another thing which makes inevitable a predominantly or singularly profit-driven approach on a corp's part. Muffles was making sense, and wasn't excusing corps.
Having said that, to direct vitriol/protest towards a corp perceived to have acted in a society-damaging way is not at all misdirected, as such action can draw attention to the matter and potentially influence the govt to act.
@Muffles, actually I blame you for attributing one of the best things I've written to another writer.
I'm glad gladstone came and straightened your s**t up Muffles. I would have, but he beat me to it.
Diploma mills. I'm not knocking education, but a degree isn't the only path to success. There are plenty of trades that pay as much or more than the average college graduate.
ReplyBORICUA COLLEGE!!!!
ReplyI find it ironic, at least on my screen, at the end of the article there's a freaking ITT ad.
Reply Hide All See All 5 Repliesculinary training school for me
What ads?
I have the same as MarkofWisdom
Le Cordon Bleu for me.
I have adblock.
What a great idea for a movie or TV show. A stoner, a chimp, and a caveman are roommates at a for-profit college, and all the school administration and staff are puppets.
Replyyeah, my sister went to missouri state, i looked at ITT for about 20 minutes and they were about 10 grand more than my sister's 4-year state school, and their campus looked like a joke. while i was on the tour, i saw two kids wrestling in the hallway and a teacher came out and broke them up like it was highschool or something. the admissions counselor tried calling me over and over until i finally just answered the phone and told them straight up i was not going to go to their school, ever.
Replythis article explains a lot.
I was shocked at the cost of these places! I've done some research into costs at REAL colleges and the one I'm looking at going to is only about $250/credit hour.
ReplyI owe $4000 in loans. Presently, my only income is the SSI that my children receive due to their disabilities. I am supposed to use those benefits for their care. So my question is, can the loan company expect me to repay the loans out of my kid's SSI money? I don't think Social Security would approve of that. Thoughts?
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesStop having kids.
jersygrl, why would you say that in the open? do you know what neighborhood you're in? you're not going to get sound advice that's not riddled with sarcasm.
and also, yeah, stop having kids. and find a man that doesn't drink or hit things/people.
You should let your parents have full custody instead. Then check out this thing called "birth control". Just a thought.
Wait, you have multiple children with disabilities?
Sounds like their only crippling ailment is having jersygrl for a mother.
When I was basically told by my family that I had to go to College even though I didn't know what I wanted to do or else the world would end, I went to the school my Boyfriend was going to... Everything looked great until the tech bubble burst, again, and suddenly everyone I knew was having to go back to their job at the mall...
ReplySo dropped out and am still paying off student loans and what does my family tell me 10 years later? Why aren't you in college? Why not take a few classes? The problem being that I can't find a school that isn't in a slum that actually lets you "Take A Few Classes", either you sign up for their FULL PROGRAM or they tell you to get the f**k out...
My aunt's friend worked for a university downtown (DePaul) and promised me that you can go in and just take a few classes until you figure out what you want to get a degree in or just brush up on some skills and I got in the office and the b***h starts handing me information on their degrees and just ignored everything I said when repeatedly stating "I don't have the time nor money NOR CREDIT to go full time, I just need to take a few classes!"
My aunt started going online in my name and contacting schools she thought were good so suddenly my business phone starts to ring off the hook with calls from ITT Tech, DeVry, The Art Institutes, Phoenix, etc. and it took MONTHS to get these fuckers to stop calling.
These are more than just used car salesmen, they are overt con artists...
It is sickening what our educational system has devolved into.
have you looked at a smaller community college? idk about chicago (depaul is there isn't it) but you should be able to take one or two classes a semester although i believe you may only be able to get an AA
O.O This sounds like a total scamish nightmare. Clearly time for the government to put its pants on for some strict regulation.
Scams, and those are flat-out scams, are not okay. It's either already illegal or needs to be made illegal ASAP.
you want a cheap college with real accreditation? move to arizona, bitches
Replywait... im looking at a school in arizona.. what difference does it make?!
Like Ned Flanders said, Heaven is easier to get into than Arizona State!
There was a school like that in Washington State, BCTI. (Business Something Something Institute.) My first stepmother tried to talk me into enrolling there for an 'Office Assistant' program in 1999. Two things turned me off: the *$80,000* tuition for two years, and that the course included classes I'd already taken at the local community college. (Keyboarding and Word Processing.) No, I couldn't skip the classes and save the tuition. And yes, they pushed the loans. (And pushed, and pushed...) I said no way. I can do math.
ReplyFive years later, BCTI closed up shop and skipped town, leaving students stuck with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt.
As for the community college I was going to at the time my stepmother got that bright idea? A quarter was three months (10-12 weeks, depending on the time of year.) $495 for three classes a quarter; less then double that if you wanted to take six. They offered their own Office Assistant course: 2 1/2 years average, the exact length depending on how you adjusted the classes to fit your schedule. (Unlike BCTI's 8-4 schedule.) So, rounding up: $1,000 minus per quarter, about $4,000 a year if you go to all four quarters. That's about $10,000 total by graduation time. Even adding in books, fees, etc., there's no way it would get to $80,000. Plus being able to hold a job and adjust classes accordingly.
I actually wound up going into another field I liked better (and was more fun). But I still shake my head over BCTI.
Wow, the advertizement on this page is for ITT Tech
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesI had the Lincoln Culinary Institute......
yeah, i was gonna comment the same thing but figured it wasnt an isolated incident. google ads for ya. big brother's watching and has exciting new career oppertunities to show you!
Well dog-gon, I got an ad for "Offeron - Save up to 90% on Toronto's best offers" Does that make me special?
I attended Brooks Institute of Photography in CA for one year, and was misled by "representatives" as well. I was told the the camera I currently had was accepted in the program and that I would not need to buy any of my own equipment because they had a checkout (a library, except with photo and film equipment as opposed to books) to supply everything I would need until I graduated. Also, there were four computer labs in the school that had all of the photo-editing software I would need, so I wouldn't need to invest in that just yet, either. Then, after being placed in a job (because what student who attends this school DOESN'T go on to get a job with National Geographic?), I could worry about buying my own equipment. This was not the case. After attending my very first 2-month session I learned that my camera was NOT accepted in the program and was forced to check out a camera. However, the rules and stipulations for checking out equipment made life very difficult and even more stressful than it needed to be. Therefore, I dropped 3500 on a brand new Nikon and flash. It felt as if I was being forced to buy all of this equipment to avoid the inconvenience of checkout. And, of course, I had to use my loan money to make all of these purchases. In fact, my reps ENCOURAGED me to use my leftover loan money after tuition for rent, gas, groceries and school fees, as opposed to getting a job while in school. As I moved through the program, the instructors would get very upset if the students did not have their own lenses, flashes, light meters, reflectors and computers stocked with photoshop, final cut pro and other media software. When we would complain about checkout, they would tell us that's why we should have our OWN stuff. There were times that I felt extremely guilty for not being able to afford all of these things. I finally left because I was very disappointed with the instructors, the lack of organization at the administrative level, the money I was spending to attend (over 4000 per 2-month session), and the misleading representatives that got me there in the first place. Did I mention that I had to move from Indiana all the way to California to have this lovely experience?
ReplyDeVry's one of those schools that really insult what I wanted to be- a game designer. They think designers, or at least want people to think, just sick in a room with hot chicks and get "paid to play games". If anyone's even heard of computer programming and was unlucky enough to see couple lines of code, they know that after fifteen thousand of those lines, countless hours in a dark, stanky room with others like you, working hours upon hours every day and night, that you are NOT getting paid to play diddly.
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesI love my games, but I think I'd go slowly insane if I tried to design them.
:bows: Thank you for all you do so others can have fun.
indeed. I love games but i know flat out i couldnt design them. id go insane
i've looked at my dads AI programming book from the 90s i am disfigured from that
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I attended (and graduated from) Trend College in 1986-87, where I studied accounting and computers. I've since had a successful career as a professional cook. Nowadays, I refer to my time spent at the school as my "Five-thousand-dollar typing class". Because the typing skill I learned there is the only one that's ever seen any actual use, and that not even in a professional capacity. The diploma was also not something good to present when looking for work around here, considering the way the school eventually closed up shop and left town while still owing money to many local businesses.
ReplyOne sad thing is that I think most of the teachers at the school were just as taken in as the students.
I'm glad you mentioned that last bit. Considering the market for jobs in academia these days, the instructors at for-profit schools are often decent enough people who are just scrambling to make a living. They're almost as screwed as their students.