Still don't get what people like about this episode. So much of what is said was taken out of context in the movies. Leia was not leading the entire rebellion. She was a high ranking leader, but not the one leading the whole thing. Her taking off to help rescue another hero of the rebellion would be fine. Han, as gruff as he was, had gotten Leia off the Death Star and helped destroy it. He had helped in the battle of Hoth and got Leia out of there in the last minute. Luke was also rescuing Han, and most of the 'convoluted rescue plan seemed to be his doing as much, if not more than Leia. He was also the only living Jedi (besides the almost dead Yoda) and therefore probably the only one who could defeat Vader or the Emperor, but no one would question his involvement.
Also speaking of Mon Mothma, she was the leader of the Rebellion, which means the only two good 'rulers' in the movies were women. Mothma as head of the rebellion and Leia, princess of Alderaan. The boys were out there fighting, being heroes and having fun, but it was the women who were leading the whole show.
I know these are supposed to be a bit in jest, but they were really reaching here.
Absolutely love this episode. I love star wars but there are no decent females except Mon Mothma (Rebel leader and future Galactic leader), and sometimes Leia when she's in a good mood.
I'm not sure if Dan's arguments hold up entirely. Not only did they blow up the barge, with no visible slave girls more of just Jabba's crew, and not the palace, but is it ever officially said that the rescue mission was Leia's idea? Even if it was, the plan was pretty well thought out seeing as any screw up was taken into account. Not to mention it's not like the first thing they do. There is a clear lapse in time between Empire and Jedi. Before breaking Han out, the others got the rebel ranks in line and really got their s**t together. This is clearly evident when they get back to the base and the troops are getting briefed on who's doing what on the attack against the Empire.
Now that I think about it, there's still one question about the slave girls. What the hell happened to them anyways? Did Lando slip them the keys before he left on the barge with Jabba or they just say "whatevs" and leave them to die still locked up in the palace?
Love the show, but this one is kinda dumb. Who in Star Wars BESIDES Leia is a good female role model? How many do you need? This is like asking who in Rambo (BESIDES Rambo) is a badass Vietnam vet who shoots exploding arrows. None? By this logic, the Rambo series is sorely lacking in that area.
I think I know why there are hardly any women. Star Wars is like a 'war' movie right? So in those movies we're lucky to see one main female character at all and she's usually a nurse away from all the action. Since they're not usually put into war movies in general, the fact it's in space doesn't make much of a difference apparently.
True, except most war movies are based on historical wars in times when women weren't even allowed to join the military unless it was a nurse and the occasional woman who slipped by because she posed as a man. Star Wars is in a fictional galaxy where Lucas could make up his own societal rules.
Ok, what the h*ll did Darth Vader do in that tiny room with his *daughter* Leia... is this something we will just ignore 'cos I know I asked but I'm not sure I want to know the answer.
This argument does make a lot of sense. Star Wars is pretty male heavy, with a token female character who basically becomes the damsel in distress. You also notice with the prequels, Padme becomes less and less important. First one, she's a queen (of a republic. Yeah, Lucas...WTF), second, she's a senator, and then in the third, she's kind of a senator, but loses all political power. Transition to the phallocratic world of the earlier movies...perhaps.
No(oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo), the surgery that he got after having his ass burnt off was designed to give him testicles and a badass voice. It's known as "Pussectomy."
I love Michael for the "extended universe" mini-rant. I officially use it when any debate centers around Star Wars. Sorry, though I will include all 6 episodes, I will only talk about Lucas' contributions to the series.
"In the extended universe...", authors wrote better dialogue for characters, expanded to other mediums (interactive games, notibly, where one's not just sitting back and taking Lucas), and fleshed out aliens and props that Lucas just put in to look cool.
While I absolutely agree that the extended universe kicks some serious ass, some of which is labeled George Lucas, I think excluding it from debates isn't a terrible idea. It's like Dan's Romero zombies are the only zombies rule - debates only really work when everyone's working with the same info, and listening to the "but in THAT book..." qualifications gets really boring.
After work, you can usually find the Cracked staff at an all-night diner dissecting the minutiae of comics, movies, memes and more. When animated accompaniment started appearing above their heads, we decided we'd better film the whole thing and put it online. Let the pointless bickering commence!
"Yeah, she's feisty...and...gold boobs?" Goddammit Swaim you marvelous bastard, you have made me laugh until it hurts again.
ReplySwaim's laugh at 4:50 XD
ReplyStill don't get what people like about this episode. So much of what is said was taken out of context in the movies. Leia was not leading the entire rebellion. She was a high ranking leader, but not the one leading the whole thing. Her taking off to help rescue another hero of the rebellion would be fine. Han, as gruff as he was, had gotten Leia off the Death Star and helped destroy it. He had helped in the battle of Hoth and got Leia out of there in the last minute. Luke was also rescuing Han, and most of the 'convoluted rescue plan seemed to be his doing as much, if not more than Leia. He was also the only living Jedi (besides the almost dead Yoda) and therefore probably the only one who could defeat Vader or the Emperor, but no one would question his involvement.
ReplyAlso speaking of Mon Mothma, she was the leader of the Rebellion, which means the only two good 'rulers' in the movies were women. Mothma as head of the rebellion and Leia, princess of Alderaan. The boys were out there fighting, being heroes and having fun, but it was the women who were leading the whole show.
I know these are supposed to be a bit in jest, but they were really reaching here.
Absolutely love this episode. I love star wars but there are no decent females except Mon Mothma (Rebel leader and future Galactic leader), and sometimes Leia when she's in a good mood.
ReplyDid anyone realize that in the "After Hours" themed background, all three guys are looking at Kate's boobs?
ReplyI love the running joke where Dan does a horrible impression of somebody and Soren reacts like he nailed it.
ReplyPLEASE MAKE MORE OF THESE
ReplyI'm not sure if Dan's arguments hold up entirely. Not only did they blow up the barge, with no visible slave girls more of just Jabba's crew, and not the palace, but is it ever officially said that the rescue mission was Leia's idea? Even if it was, the plan was pretty well thought out seeing as any screw up was taken into account. Not to mention it's not like the first thing they do. There is a clear lapse in time between Empire and Jedi. Before breaking Han out, the others got the rebel ranks in line and really got their s**t together. This is clearly evident when they get back to the base and the troops are getting briefed on who's doing what on the attack against the Empire.
ReplyNow that I think about it, there's still one question about the slave girls. What the hell happened to them anyways? Did Lando slip them the keys before he left on the barge with Jabba or they just say "whatevs" and leave them to die still locked up in the palace?
Love the show, but this one is kinda dumb. Who in Star Wars BESIDES Leia is a good female role model? How many do you need? This is like asking who in Rambo (BESIDES Rambo) is a badass Vietnam vet who shoots exploding arrows. None? By this logic, the Rambo series is sorely lacking in that area.
ReplyYou missed the entire point.
My Penis...
ReplyWomen!
Nailed it.
lol loved it
"Fallocracy"?
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesCome on feminist lady, we can't take you seriously if you make up words; a government run by men is a PATRIARCHY.
No; phallocracy. As in, a government run by penises (penii?). A government run by dicks, if you will.
Penes. And I love your username.
Patriarchy is a societal system. Phallocracy is a governmental system. There's a difference.
I think I know why there are hardly any women. Star Wars is like a 'war' movie right? So in those movies we're lucky to see one main female character at all and she's usually a nurse away from all the action. Since they're not usually put into war movies in general, the fact it's in space doesn't make much of a difference apparently.
ReplyTrue, except most war movies are based on historical wars in times when women weren't even allowed to join the military unless it was a nurse and the occasional woman who slipped by because she posed as a man. Star Wars is in a fictional galaxy where Lucas could make up his own societal rules.
Ok, what the h*ll did Darth Vader do in that tiny room with his *daughter* Leia... is this something we will just ignore 'cos I know I asked but I'm not sure I want to know the answer.
ReplyI always figured it was space-waterboarding.
Never underestimate the dark side of the force.
My view it would be like the crutacious curse, star wars form.
This argument does make a lot of sense. Star Wars is pretty male heavy, with a token female character who basically becomes the damsel in distress. You also notice with the prequels, Padme becomes less and less important. First one, she's a queen (of a republic. Yeah, Lucas...WTF), second, she's a senator, and then in the third, she's kind of a senator, but loses all political power. Transition to the phallocratic world of the earlier movies...perhaps.
ReplyTechnically darth vader is a woman, cus Anakin defeinitly has a vagina.
ReplyNo(oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo), the surgery that he got after having his ass burnt off was designed to give him testicles and a badass voice. It's known as "Pussectomy."
could you imagine if george washington had a light saber?
Replyluke also blew up the death star, not leia
ReplyI love Michael for the "extended universe" mini-rant. I officially use it when any debate centers around Star Wars. Sorry, though I will include all 6 episodes, I will only talk about Lucas' contributions to the series.
Reply Hide All See All 3 Replies"In the extended universe...", authors wrote better dialogue for characters, expanded to other mediums (interactive games, notibly, where one's not just sitting back and taking Lucas), and fleshed out aliens and props that Lucas just put in to look cool.
While I absolutely agree that the extended universe kicks some serious ass, some of which is labeled George Lucas, I think excluding it from debates isn't a terrible idea. It's like Dan's Romero zombies are the only zombies rule - debates only really work when everyone's working with the same info, and listening to the "but in THAT book..." qualifications gets really boring.
as you should. the books are truly terrible. some of the worst writing i have ever read.
I love Soren's look of childlike wonder when he and Dan say Boba Fett. Also, I knew Mon Mothma's name.
ReplyLots of people knew Mon Mothma's name.
I knew it from the Jedi Prince book series and X-Wing video game.
mon mothma, leader of the rebels
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