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Also students are taught History. They are taught History of Magic. Potions is science in a nutshell, more like chemistry. Which probably consist of some kind of math.
ReplyThis is the only video I'm not a fan of Dan in. Not only does he LIKE the Coen brothers but he doesn't know Harry Potter...
Replyok, now i really want a coen brothers video
ReplyI tend to just agree with Soren Bowie on everything because he's good looking.
Reply1) The Prime Minister is regularly informed when something really dangerous is going on in the wizarding community.
Reply2) Slytherin aren't all evil; it's just where all the selfish pricks end up when coming to Hogwarts and seing as many evil bastards are usually seflish pricks...
3)All the Time Turneres were destroyed in the end of the fifth book in the Department of Mysteries; and even Doc Brown, a muggle, knew better than to do anything too drastic when going back in time.
4)They have DEFENSE AGAINST the Dark Arts. They do not teach the dark arts at Hogwarts. Big difference.
5) Any muggle weapon could easily be renedered useless by a first-year student with a basic knowledge of spells. "Just throw some boms at them" is stupid and all of those bombs could be transfigured into feathers or just left to levitate with one of the first spells a wizard/witch is taught: Wingardium Leviosa.
6)Voldemort was only living in the back of Quirell's head as a way to survive because he didn't have a f*****g body! It was only a seventh of his soul floating about, FFS! And it was Quirell that was drinking the unicorn's blood to strengthen Voldemort, not a werewolf.
Seriously, guys. If you're going to rip on a subject then at least research it properly first by reading the books and not just watching the horrible movies.
Wands are such a lame weapon
ReplySoren pretty much just stereotyped every single Slytherin as a mini Death Eater filled with hate. They're not all evil and racist. They're cunning and ambitious. There's a difference. Don't forget Harry Potter is written in Harry's point of view (sort of) and how many people in your schools did you consider pure evil when they were just not the type of people you like? Shitloads of them I'm sure
ReplyThe whole debate about informing the muggles about Voldemort:
Reply1) The muggle Prime Minister was informed about every single dangerous thing.
2) No coordination was made with the muggle Prime Minister on how to protect his people or help bring down Voldemort.
So basically they show up just to say, "One of our guys is slaughtering indiscriminately, and you'll have to let us fix it because you muggles are all helpless." As has been established repeatedly in the series, the Ministry actually isn't much better in mentality than Voldemort, only in method (they don't kill everyone they don't like). It doesn't take much to realize that muggle weapons, while they don't garuntee a victory, would be something excellent to blindside the Death Eaters with - and a deeply ironic victory given their disdain for muggles.
But the Ministry isn't creative, and the story was all about Harry, so ...
I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the Minister of Magic has regular meetings with the PM of England. In the first chapter of the sixth book, the new Minister of Magic, who had just been appointed because the old Minister refused to believe Voldemort's resurrection, has a meeting to explain the threat the Muggle world is in because of Voldemort.
Replywhy does Micheal get pissed off there at the end during the black out?
ReplyI've been wondering about that too
I'm just gonna talk about four common misconceptions here.
Reply Hide All See All 5 Replies1. So what if they don't learn Muggle subjects like Algebra? What they learn is actually good for something. What the hell is Algebra gonna be good for when you can regrow entire body parts in one nigh? If anything we're the ones who don't learn anything useful.
2. Time-Turners can't be used to change the past. When Harry and Hermione when back in time, they only fullfilled what they'd already done; they didn't do something "new."
3. Nukes would be useless because they kill EVERYTHING. This is why nukes were never used in the Cold War, because they don't pick certain targets, they wipe out everything in their path. The only real use for a nuke is to be able to bully someone with threats that you'll use it, not ACTUALLY using it.
4. The wizards probably could fix the Muggle world's problems. But who said that the Muggles would want to work together with the wizards? Notice how many people on this very comment board are all for committing genocide against the wizards.
1: They could use alebgra to understand the advantage of using basically any modern method of communication other than owl. We have phone, e-mail and video telehpone, and they use owls. There is almost no easier interruptible way of intercepting communication.
2. Your statement forgets, that time travel was the only reason they had already done it. Without time travel, the story doesn't continue, so the idea of trying to make time travel no affecting anything is impossible. If anything, it makes it stupider, because it implies that who gets to time travel and where and when is predetermined somehow, which makes the concept pointless. If the only observed the past i book 3, which they ddn't it might work, but when they change stuff in the past, it doesn't.
3. Way to focus on the exxageration and not the meaning. Replace nukes with Tomehawk missles, 100 snipers from a thousand yards away, biological attacks and the meaning is the same. Pointing wands and shoot magic is never gonna beat being bombed from the skies by a guy who sits in a chair half-way around the world.
4. Let me tell you, that a threat to global peace and a threat to modern society is enough motivation for anyone. The wizards just had to do magic to convince them they were telling the thruth or at least make us aware of the danger, so we might prepare for it.
1. They aready have Floo Powder. Besides, only a very few select people use algebra in practical situations.
2. No, they only did the time travel because they'd already done it. If someone hasn't already come along and killed Voldemort in the past, it's not gonna happen.
3. You're forgetting that they've been hiding from us perfectly for centuries. All the sniper rifes in the world won't do jack s**t if you don't know where to aim it at. They can easily teleport in past any security and take control over the minds of all of our political and military leaders. Thye can hide from us, and we have no defense against their worst weapons.
4. Lol, the world is at peace? Since when? They pose no threat to modern society. With the exception of Voldemort and the like, they just want to be left to themselves. On the other hand, apparently most of us Muggles are all for genocide. Sure there have been some wizards who want to steamroll right over the Muggles, but the good guys (Wizards, you know, the people you're gung-ho about wiping out) stepped in and saved our asses.
Basically what I mean about the Time-Turner thing is that it's impossible to give rise to a paradox. This actually makes sense when you think about. The universe will not allow a person to throw the balance of the universe into jeapordy. Time travel in HP basically obeys the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle.
I would actually enjoy a story about muggles vs. wizards, just to see the tactics that the muggles have to employ to overcome.
1) First of all, you use Algebra every f*****g day of your life. If you have to regrow body parts on a daily basis you should not be trusted with magic and you should be hit with not allowed to propagate spell.
2) But they couldn't have done what they were supposed to do without said time machine? That makes absolutely no sense.
3)You mean kind of like...magic?! The true message of Harry Potter? It's ok if your life sucks kids, because magic will solve everything. And we did use nukes on Japan, and it didn't kill everybody. There's this thing called scale.
4)It seems to me like the most real and genocidal threat in the Harry Potter universe, was a wizard.
you're not hardcore fans guys. lotta misinformation. this is just, no. no.
ReplyDoes anyone else notice Soren calls basically everyone a terrorist or a terrorist cell?
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Reply"Lord Vo - lmont-snake-face"
Reply"There's no way that's his name"
laughed sooo loud then
Oh - and let's not forget Muggle Studies.
ReplyIt's actually a plot point that everyone forgets Muggle Studies.
1. Muggles can’t know about magic because they would try to take advantage of it. Remember the Salem Witch Trials? Muggles would have been distracted by the “magic exists” part to concentrate their energy on defeating Voldemort. They would just go after ALL wizards and witches, and that certainly help them.
Reply Hide All See All 6 Replies2. While most of the antagonists are from Slytherin, not all of them are. Nothing could have worked out without Snape.
3. The classes are DEFENCE AGAINST the Dark Arts and POTIONS.
4. They DO learn those subjects. HISTORY of Magic, which includes relevant Muggle history (witch burnings, etc.). The MATHS equivalent is Arithmancy, and it also comes into play in Potions. Potions, incidentally, is essentially the same as CHEMISTRY.
5. They don’t learn to time travel or look through people’s clothes. I don’t even know where the second one came from, but Hermione is the only one who was legally allowed to time travel, and it was extremely difficult for her to get a Time-Turner.
6. THE TIME-TURNERS WERE ALL DESTROYED. Yeah. So, yes, they obviously could have been useful, but they were all smashed in Order of the Phoenix. Not to mention the fact that, even if somebody were to have had them AND was able to turn it one time for each hour, time travel is ridiculously complicated.
I believed I knew what sadness meant.
Then I met a Harry Potter apologist.
Now I believe in nothing.
1. While it might be true, that the Muggles will go against the wizarding community, it seems extremely unethical to leave them completely clueless about a century-old mass murderer who has come back from the dead. Of course, it does have disastrous consequences (mass panic, for one), so I really won't stress on that. The wizards COULD have taken Muggle help, though. Accessing Muggle armaments requires the support of a few government officials and operators at best, and the memory charm would work perfectly fine on them later on. So would, say, the Imperius curse. The good wizards are actually pretty lucky Voldemort wasn't into Muggle technology. It's pretty impossible to dodge a Hellfire missile with your mom's love.
2. Oh, you pointed at the oasis! Now I must believe the desert is in fact a forest!
3. Well defending yourself against the dark arts would definitely require knowledge of the same. And that connection had to be meaningful enough - Dumbledore never gave Snape that subject because he feared Snape will go back to being evil. A completely non-dark way of teaching the subject was employed by Dolores Umbridge, and she wasn't exactly adorable. Similarly, small mistakes in making a given potion led to amazing and weirdly harmful substances (personally, I felt the class was too risky for 11 year-olds), and people as smart as Tom Riddle were always going to pick such stuff up.
4. Apparently they still don't learn what matters. Arithmancy is an elective subject which most of them skip. I don't think 'relevant Muggle history' would make any significant impact, and yes, potions is like chemistry, but it's magical chemistry. No wizard would be able to recognize sodium chloride as salt after potions. Most of the time they are shown making stupid potions (or illegal ones) which wouldn't even have a widespread or permitted use in the wizarding world.
5. Yes, they don't learn those exact things. But I don't see how time-turners are all that complicated and forbidden if they give them away for lame-ass excuses like a student taking too many subjects. In the real world, if we had time-turners, this could be a good nerd-joke. Thankfully it was hard for Hermione to get the turner, because she was not supposed to have been allowed one at all. And how long does it take to make a time-turner, because between the destruction of the Dept. of Mysteries and the death of Voldemort, two years have passed. One time turner was all anyone needed, even before Potty was born. Just go back to Voldemort when he was eleven years old, kill him terminator style (or wipe out his memory of magic if you are too ethical) and come back. Surely saving more than a hundred lives and thousand tortures is worth one timeline screw up. Considering, especially, that it has already been done on a smaller scale without any bad consequences by thirteen year old people.
"Apparently they still don't learn what matters." Who said what we learn matters? What they learn is incredeibly practical, like how to fix wounds in a few seconds or a cure to a virus. What the hell is learning trigonometry good for? If anything, we're the ones who aren't learning anything useful.
Also, the thing about Time-Turners is a common misconception. You can't change what's already happened. When Harry and Hermione went back in time, they only did what they had already done; they didn't do something new. The uses of the Time-Turner are actually quite limited.
Wow, everybody here is full of bullshit. Remeber first chapter of HP6? It proves that every world leaders are protected and informed about the wizarding world.
Danraynard, I was with you until point five.
Here's a little tidbit to consider with time-turners (which only makes sense from the book canon): It seems to be bound not only in the amount of time it can reverse (a few hours at a time for Hermonie), but also the space it can reverse time in. When they use the time-turner in the Hospital Wing they suddenly appear in the Entrance Hall. (They promptly hide in a broom closet, creating a banging sound mentioned earlier in the book, supporting the theory about non-contradiction timelines.) It seems the time-turners may have to be created for a given area, which may greatly limit opportunities to kill Voldemort when he was weak.
Here's a crazy hypothetical (not really hinted at in the books, but still a plausible explanation): The time turners were a project started, say, a few years before the Potters' death. The time turners, regardless of their general span of time they can reverse (they have different sizes in the Department of Mysteries), can only go as far back as when they were first perfected - thus limiting their power to when Voldemort was already powerful.
I thought I wouldn't be replying to this but the docuhebag comments of idiots with no reading comprehension and knowledge of engineering force me to try once more.
Now I agreed to not stressing on the whole informing muggles thing. And in any case I was talking about informing the masses. I KNOW that the world leaders are all informed about magical disasters. And the main stress in the point was on collaborating with the same world leaders to access their weapons.
Hey WitchKing, were you born like this or is this bout of idiocy brought on by your love for Harry Potter. Which virus did they learn to cure? How many times outside the books in which they learn a particular spell have you seen them use it again later on (please discount obvious things like Accio and Lumos). How many wizards did you see using transfiguration? And did you just ask me where trigonometry is used? Ha! Are you educated? Because virtually everything around you uses trigonometric ratios. From calculating the ac voltage required for morons like you to log on and spread stupidity in the world, to calculating the force your hairy ass is exerting on your bed/chair. Please don't think something doesn't have practical applications because you are too dumb or disconnected from the fields where it actually is used.
Can't nuke wizards. Most wizards are mixed into muggle populations, and areas populated by muggles. If you attempted to nuke wizards, you'd kill your own people too. Even in the Cold War, nukes were used as a way to intimidate the other side. It was just a standoff. No one really wanted to start a nuclear holocaust.
ReplyWhat about plain old missiles? We actually have missile technology that allows for pin-point accuracy.
You would have to find those wizard territories first. If satellites and other things still haven't been able to get past illusions and Muggle-Repelling Charms, they're never going to.
technically spells are just physical forces being shot out of a fairly primitive launcher. a nuke would do the trick. and if the dark wizards tried to attack it, it would still explode
ReplyI know it right, don't really have to time to say a spell when somebody shoots you in the back of the head.
if you start nukeing the hell out of wizards people are going to ask questions and then eventually everyone will learn about magic
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