15 Things About Independence Day That Don't Settle Well With Me
Independence Day is a great movie, but it still has many plot holes and WTF moments. Here are the 15 biggest I found.
#15- Ballet :-)
This isn't necessarily a plot hole in the movie, but it's one part that always bugs me. After the city has been destroyed we see one of the movie's female protagonists (played by Vivica A. Fox) having a heart to heart with the first lady (Mary McDonnell).
At one point she asks Fox's character, appropriately named "Jasmine", what she does for a living. Jasmine tells her she's a dancer and she smiles and says, "Ballet".
Could the first lady be any more clueless? Look at Vivica A. Fox and take into consideration that her name is "Jasmine". Now when she tells you that she's a dancer does any part of that add up to being a ballet dancer? Further more, ballet is more of a hobby than a profession, so if that was in fact the case wouldn't she have said she's a "ballet instructor" rather than a "dancer"?
I still think it's funny that by the end of the movie the first lady has died and the stripper lives happily ever after.

#14- Boobs < Aliens
This is another part that doesn't ruin the movie so much as giving you a reason to question the intelligence of the people in it. We already know that Vivica A. Fox plays a stripper, and partway through the movie is a scene were you witness her performing at an almost empty club. She looks up from her dance and notices that nobody is paying attention so she walks off stage.
Now, given that a UFO had just been sighted that morning and was currently occupying a major portion of airspace I doubt that many people's priorities still included blowing their paycheck at the local topless bar, and the fact that it was open at all is pretty surprising. But the few people that were there decided to watch the news at a club where they'd most likely pay a cover charge and spend extra money on overpriced beer? Then again maybe they didn't have cable.
#13- Way to Research.
It turns out that the aliens in this movie weren't appearing on this planet out of the blue. Apparently 30 years after our first encounter with them they had decided that earth would be a great place to house their species until a better planet was found. We're also told that these aliens were responsible for the crash in Roswell, New Mexico. So you tell me; 30 years after 3 men are sent to an unexplored region and are never heard from again, why in the name of God would something decide to move its entire species there? Not to mention that this was 30 after their initial study, did they not realize there was a chance that the planet would be dead already? Or possibly gone all together?

#12- Having a Blast
Giant spaceships appear over major cities worldwide, what does the military do? Secure a perimeter to keep people away? Evacuate the city? No, they allow a countless number of weirdos to gather around it like it's a giant religious altar. Then the bottom opens up and...

#11- Congested Airway
Another flaw on the alien's part. shortly before the mother ship is blown up you can see an interesting sight. The fact that Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum fly their old UFO right through center of the ship while dodging a bunch of pillars that are either support beams or walkways. Whatever they are the argument still remains; Why the hell were they there?
Are the aliens so confident with their ability as pilots that the will never hit one of them and potentially damage a large part of the center chamber, as well as kill hundreds of the alien soldiers waiting below? I guess no matter how big your brain is only using 20% of it will cause you to overlook life threatening hazards.

#10- Nice suit!
Yeah let me tell you that those are nice suits that the aliens are wearing. Sure they're great if you want to look like a walking helmet with Doctor Octopus tentacles, but if you expect them to stop a bullet or even a scalpel you're shit out of luck. I find it hard to believe that these highly intelligent beings would be unable to build a suit of battle armor worth anything. For God's sake Tony Stark built a better one in a cave... From a bunch of Scraps!!!!!!!!!
#9- Now you're speaking my language
Remember that horrifying scene where the scientist is grabbed by the aliens spooky tentacles and has his vocal chords hijacked so he can tell the rest of the cast that he wants them to do one thing, "Die"?
Just one question, how was that done? Have you ever spoken really fast to the point where you run out of breath? Do you know why that is? Because the air coming from your lungs are what's helping you create that noise that you call a voice. I personally haven't been able ever rub another person's throat and make them talk for me, but I'm guessing if the scene had depicted another tentacle giving the man chest compressions it would have looked pretty silly.
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#8- FALCON PUNCH!!!!
So Will Smith forces one of these aliens to crash their fighter planes to the ground and the funniest thing happens. Now I realize that this was probably only done so everybody would realize how badass he is because he's not afraid of aliens like the rest of the world, but get this. He walks to the ship right after it has crash landed, because I guess there's risk of it blowing up in his face or anything, and the doors open to reveal the alien pilot.
Remember I said that those aliens are wearing suits of armor? Well it obviously protected one from crash landing, but it couldn't protect it from Will Smith's Falcon Punching ability seeing as how he punches it in the face and knocks it out in one hit. I remember after seeing this scene I started carrying around a cigar with me wherever I went just in case I ever got the opportunity to punch an alien in the face, because I wanted to be awesome too and relax with a cigar after knocking out an extra terrestrial with one blow.independence_day_1.jpg)
#7- Like a gun driving a tank.
That brings me to my next point, why was it wearing that armor in the first place? I'm starting to think that their alien leaders are like overbearing mothers who make their children wear every form of padding imaginable when they first start riding a two wheel bike, so in case their bikes happen to magically become twenty stories high and they fall off they won't suffer any injuries.
I guess the ship having a forcefield capable of withstanding the blast from an atomic bomb wasn't enough.

#6- Come with me if you want to live?
This entire scene bugs me for a few reasons, but I think what happens a few minutes later confuses me further. Will Smith wraps this unconscious alien up in his parachute and starts aimlessly dragging it through the desert. I'm guessing it's so he could occupy himself while searching for civilization by bitching it out for smelling bad and ruining the barbecue that he could have had. I don't even know if Will Smith was sure it was dead or not, but I'm guessing that when you can knock out an alien with one punch it makes dragging its 300 pound body around the desert a fairly safe operation.
#5- Safe-T-Glass
Another thing about that scary scene where the alien is jerry rigging the scientists throat so he can talk for him and the only thing that could have made that more disturbing is if the alien had shoved it's tentacles up his ass and made him into a postmortem sock puppet. Why did it stay in the autopsy room and not attack the people on the other side of the glass? It was only glass! It probably felt pretty damn stupid for two seconds before it died from getting shot in the head from beyond the glass for assuming that the thin transparent sheet between him and his enemies was bullet proof and therefore he must not be able to smash through it himself. Not to mention that it was an autopsy room window, so I guess it's pretty standard for rooms that have maybe been used two or three times in the past to study something that's already dead to sport a giant indestructible wall so nothing escapes.
#4- Take me to your Leader.
Independence Day has given us one of the most memorable explosions in movie history, the White House explosion. Surely the display of an unstoppable alien front obliterating the government which we've struggled in the past so hard to establish is one of the most upsetting acts of defiance one could witness. there's only one problem. How did the aliens know that the white house held any significance at all? Was the Taj Mahal defaced in any way because that building looks a hell of a lot more majestic than the white house. They could have been blowing up a giant meth lab for all they knew. But I suppose if they wanted to blow up everything they had to start somewhere, what a coincidence though...

#3- Wired!
I love how after decades of sitting around in an underground military base that UFO suddenly springs back to life once the mothership draws near. It's like a dog laying around the house all day and then suddenly going bat shit crazy once its owner gets home. It's also kind of interesting how it only takes about two hours for Jeff Goldblum to instal a port to plug in his laptop and successfully gain control of the ship with it. Good thing alien technology runs on Windows 95 eh? It reminds me too much of the way the Ghostbusters are able to control the statue of Liberty using a NES Advantage controller.

#2- Bye-Bye Daddy
Now's one of the biggest problems with this movie. Sure it caused a tear jerking moment, I can understand that. Here's the problem, we're expected to believe that the United State's remaining air force completely ran out of missiles and there was absolutely nobody left around except this poor farmer with a grudge? And the only missile left was jammed under the wing?
The thing is, whatever was underneath this large UFO when it was firing its lazar was gone as soon as the ship showed up. Everybody knew what it could do, why would they stay underneath it once it showed up? That's the thing, they wouldn't. So there was no option to let them fire this lazar into empty space while the crew restocked their weapons and came back for round 2? I guess not...

#1- Happily ever after?
Ok, now you're wondering what is the biggest plot hole in this movie? I'll tell you what it is. The fact that it ends. These aliens came from millions and possibly billions of miles away to take our planet and we blow them the hell away, and now what? Well you know that lightning never strikes the same place twice... But this isn't lighting we're talking about, it's an entire race of aliens that needs a new planet to live on. I highly doubt they brought their entire population on that ship while they were invading. They probably had more waiting on some other planet and the chances are they're going to come back and this time use a computer operating system on their ship that has some form of virus protection installed on it so the entire thing won't happen again! Maybe next time they should also wear body armor that will actually do some form of protecting instead of just looking scary! That's if they come back at all, but now that I think about it if I was those aliens I'd be too humiliated to come back again anyways.





They DID say the mother ship moves their entire species!
ReplyI also think some of your fellow writers have indirectly answered why the alien would not jump through the glass; despite what you see in Holleywood, jumping through glass is potentially deadly. Also those biomechanical suits are not armor, it's up to our imagination as to what their use was, but they made it pretty damn apparent that they were not intended to protect its wearer as evidenced by Will Smith knocking out the alien and the scalpel opening the fleshy suit. Perhaps it allows them to operate more efficiently with all those extra limbs the suit adds or maybe they filter pathogens; that's a much better explanation that saying "it's armor".
ReplyThe tentacle scene was supposed to show some mind control/mental puppetry. Even "Independence Day" was not dumb enough to try implying that the alien was massaging the noise out of his throat and to be honest you are the ONLY person I've heard of who came to that conclusion regarding that scene. There was a deleted scene that actually addressed the compatibility issue with the computers in which Goldblum uses the code from earlier when he predicted the attack. And what did you mean by "why would they stay underneath it?" Area 51 (the intended target) was not a mobile station.
ReplyAll the things in the list are perfectly plausible, and perfectly explainable within the realm of the movie.
ReplyThe only huge plot hole, except for hacking the alien computer of course, is that mankind does not dispose of weapons powerful enough to destroy the enemy ships - even without their shield.
The mothership is said to be "550km in diameter", and I assume is simply made of solid steel (and not a more advance material). There is no way a nuclear weapon would do more than a small dent in such an immense mass of steel.
Even the destroyers (are said to be 23 km in diameter) are simply too big to be taken down by a nuclear warhead. A nuke can devastate land and take down buildings for several km because of its shock wave, but not melting solid steel structures of that magnitude.
To give a perspective, a bunker that is 300 metres underground cannot be reached by not even the most powerful US nuclear bunker buster. And for "reached" I mean deadly shaken by the shockwave, NOT that the ground above it is vaporised.
Characters seem to think they won the war when they saw the shield is down, but it would take hundreds of nukes (if we're lucky) to take down a single one of the aliens' 23km ships. And the mothership would be practically indestructible with our technology.
Ballet is a profession. It is not a hobby. Well, maybe it is, for those not serious enough. But if you are, it is a profession. You get paid to dance. many people devote their whole lives to ballet.
Replyin fairness to the whole mac vs. alien interface question, man sent emissaries to the moon with a computer less powerful than a playstation. the barriers in stellar travel are more down to the mechanics than the electronics and communications thereof. apart from the obvious "fresh prince barrier" a lot of xenomorphs cry themselves to sleep thinking about...
Replythe whole thing about the aliens coming back is actually covered in the movie maybe a deleted scene i don't know i have the special edition dvd so they play properly but after the president is mind raped he says that that was their entire population.
ReplyAlso, for 2, they were panicking because the ship was going to shoop woops all over the airbase, which I'm going to assume has enough firepower to penetrate solid concrete and kill everyone inside if it f*****g obliterated all the other monuments and incinerated the buildings in a hellish shockwave that would make God cry. No time to restock! Just send a redneck kamikaze in!
ReplyShould've focused more on the wacky coincidences, like how all those trailers AND Will smith after wandering in a desert with an alien just HAPPEN to find area 5fucking1, and the alien just HAPPENS to be the same species that crash landed in Roswell, and that will smith just HAPPENS to find his stripper girl amongst a desolate ruined city in the middle of hte night with a helicopter he just HAPPENED to steal. not to mention the alien race could've, oh I don't know, GONE TO AN UNINHABITED PLANET FIRST before coming here. Refugees or not, they're still pricks for blowing up a planet when they could've ransacked mars or something.
I can explain 4- they were using our satellites to relay info to each other, right? What's stopping them from highjacking them, learning about our planet and the important parts, as well as our language, and using that knowledge to hit all important places all over the planet at once in a large scale precision glassing effort? It makes an alien species that knows how to speak english well enough to make a dead guy say "fuck you guys, we want your planet" seem logical without going into translation microbes or babel fish. they knew all the capitals to attack, when to attack it, and why. they glassed all the major cities with the highest populations as well as any place that was documented via television to be a place for government. They cut that out to add an ambiguously gay guy with a raspy voice being the throwaway comic relief to a cable guy saving the world.
ReplyHOLY SHIT! This article has more holes than the movie itself! I would list how wrong he got these facts...but It would take me forever. For a movie with so many good/bad things to criticize, they chose the lest interesting ones and they did it in a horrible way too lol. Someone needs to re-watch the movie XD
ReplyWhat I have to wonder is, Don't the aliens find it strange that in question 13, the missing ship just magically shows up again after 30-40 years? Don't they have Vehicle Id numbers?
ReplyWhy Couldn't Vivica Fox be a ballet dancer? Really can I get an answer.
ReplyThey think ballet Dancer is not a profession, also Vivica Fox looks like a whore or apparently so they think cuz there's now way she could do that. Not to mention that she's black and since Ballet is more of a hobby (according to them), there's no way she has the money to afford such a hobby. This article is worse than the movie...someone delete it off the site or at least rewrite it!
#9: the PSYCHIC alien was taking over his brain, not his vocal cords themselves.
Replyexcellent article. my only complaint is the claim that you only use 20% of your brain. you use all of it, just not at once. when you do use all of it at once, it's called a "seizure"
ReplyWhat ruined the movie for me was how condescending Bill Pullman was when Judd Hirsch suggested that the government already knew about the aliens and had them in Area 51, meanwhile they were FLEEING FROM AN ALIEN ATTACK! At that point, it's not outside the realm of possibility that the two might be related. I'm surprised he didn't throw up some air quotes when he said "spaceship".
ReplyBallet dancers can be professional...
ReplyHere's one that's always bothered me. So the first ship crashed what, 30, 40 years before? so the aliens invade, and we infiltrate using the ship that crashed, and they dont know until its too late. we win. except.. what are the odds the super intelligent aliens would use the exact same ship for 40 fkn years?? really, the exact same ships? no changes? i guess once youre that smart, you reach a threshold for how much you can improve them.
Replyalso, the pilot guy above "Human fly" touched on this, but how the hell did will smith learn how to fly their ship so fast? cant be too different than an air force plane, i guess.
#15 - I got the impression the first lady was being forcibly polite/pc or allowing vivica fox to save face by not admitting she was a stripper. The response from fox could've been wistfully "yeah... ballet" and they exchange the same knowing glance about the truth. Agreed the first lady wasn't clueless, she knew what the story was.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesIf that were true, then she wouldn't have said anything at all. "Ballet" was just a stupid thing to say.
She can't be stupid?
does it really matter she was pretty much a throw away character
I wanted to apologize to everybody.
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesI wrote this article after staying up all night in a paranoid state and wasn't in the best mind set to be writing first thing in the morning.
I'm sorry if this article has offended anybody. But I've seen this movie many times before, and some of the content was suggested by my friends.
Maybe some of you would be happy to hear that this is being edited little by little to fix any errors I made the first time around.
I'm sorry I made a mistake with the nuke, ok it wasn't there.
I changed that section, so you're welcome.
But really everybody, it's just a movie, a great movie, but still just a movie,
I didn't realize that my mistakes apparently caused you all to die because that is honestly how some of you are acting, that a mistake somebody made about a movie killed you.
Why worry about it really? It's a good article and it makes sense. I have a hard time believing in a movie about aliens that can defeat the US Air Force, can't defeat Steve Jobs and get wiped out by cousin Eddie. The exploding White House was pretty cool but honestly they could have blown up a puppy with a giant space laser and I would have watched it anyway. If aliens like this do invade the planet in the future, I'd hope that they don't start by blowing up all the Waffle Houses, since that seems to be where most of the commenters like to congregate. I had to go back and watch the whole space chase scene again. I'm a pilot, so I can understand the congested airways concept. What I don't get it how the Fresh Prince & the Fly can take an unfamiliar craft and weave through all of those pylons just fine, but the aliens who probably fly that route every single day manage to run into everything. Think this through: they have some sort of sophistocated autopilot that works even after 40 years, that guides them from the surface of an unfamiliar planet up to an orbiting mothership, and nobody thought to put a "hey jackass we're closing the f*****g door so slow the hell down" feature? A Lexus can park itself but a super-advanced spacecraft isn't equipped with a garage door opener? OK, so the alien who can make a dead guy talk tells the President that they move from planet to planet. What if the alien lied? It hardly seems wise to trust a race of killer aliens. We can't even get illegal aliens to give the cops their actual name, I don't think Frank the alien is going to be on the level. You remember when you were a kid and your parents wanted you to go to sleep? They would close the door and pretend to walk down the hall, then BOOM! There they were, back at the door, there you were, on the floor playing Atari. They pretend to sneak away, maybe the aliens make their footsteps lighter and lighter, then they show back up. Then we find out that they really sent in their version of the Special Olympics for the first round just to feel us out and now we're stuck dealing with even worse aliens who will turn people into the anal sock puppets you mentioned. Face it, we wouldn't stand a chance with Bill Pullman as our President. Bill Paxton, maybe, but that's way too sitcom. It's a good article. I wouldn't give the future anal sock puppets much attention.
I was ready to complain about your article, saying how it seems to be more of the sort of thing you should put in your personal blog, but after seeing this, i don't really feel like insulting you
Just a couple of comments for you:
#13 isn't really an error at all. No where does it say that the crashed ship is the ONLY ship sent to check Earth out. It just happend to be one that crashed. I'm sure there were many others that returned and reported that Earth was ripe for plucking.
#12: There really wasn't much the military could do. These are huge cities with millions of people living there. A total evacuation would take a long time and goodness knows where you would house all those poeple. Remember, it wasn't just one city; it was at least LA, New York, and Washington DC. Major cities vital to the US economy. Ditching them without knowing if they needed to could have been a disater.
Why ARE you apologizing? This was great and had a better format than most of the topic pages I read. If I apologized for my articles, the Pink Floyd fans/trolls would win.
there's a book sequel. I know, I know, I don't care either but I thought I'd mention it.
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