Intelligent Design
Intelligent Design is a pseudo-scientific alternative to the Theory of Evolution that offers God as an explanation for the complexity of life while sort of pretending not to.
Essential Concept: "Irreducible Complexity"
Proponents of Intelligent Design like to point to the concept of "Irreducible Complexity" as evidence that life was deliberately designed by an intelligent agent. Not only every living thing, but each cell in every living thing, is made up of a complex array of well-matched interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, such that the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to cease functioning. Commonly, an analogy is made to the ordinary mousetrap; if you remove any piece, be it the spring, the hook, the bar, or the base, it ceases to function as a mousetrap. It is "irreducibly complex," a set of events so unlikely to have occurred all at once by chance that we can state with assurance that it was the result of design. That, along with the brand name and the words "KILLS MICE" printed in big red letters on the base, constitutes strong empirical evidence for an intelligent mind behind the device. Any similarly complex organism in nature must also have been the product of intelligence.

Possibly our highest achievement.
Of Course, It's Crap
Proponents of Intelligent Design are not only arguing from ignorance (I don't understand how it could have evolved, therefore it was designed) but are presenting a false dichotomy (if not evolution, then it must be a supernatural being). This obviously violates the principle of Occam's Razor, which says "given multiple, competing explanations for a given phenomenon, the correct explanation is probably the one with the fewest magic dingleberries attached."
In fact, ideas such as change of function, scaffolding, and improvement becoming necessity are easily adequate to explain how improvement by incremental steps could lead to an irreducibly complex system.
Proponents are also fond of drawing analogies between nature and the products of human design that depend on observing how radically different those two things are (google The Watchmaker Argument); this kind of defeats the purpose of analogies (that is, showing how two things are similar). The argument breaks down to this: nature looks like design, which we can recognize because it doesn't look like nature. In concrete terms, an eyeball is obviously designed because it works more like a watch than it does a pile of rocks. This bit of brilliance may be a genuine breakthrough in human thought; the next step, presumably, is to bang the rocks together.

So much for the Watchmaker Argument.
"Teach The Controversy"
Proponents of Intelligent Design would like the "theory" taught in schools alongside evolution in the interests of "fairness." In reality, there is no controversy in scientific circles; a good example of a respected scientist who supports Intelligent Design is former Growing Pains star Kirk Cameron.

OK, it's a cheap shot, I know.
The supposed theory in fact offers no testable predictions, could not be proven wrong even if it was, and provides no supporting evidence not explainable without positing the supernatural. Which means it isn't actually science so much as religious philosophy with the occasional flowchart. It also leaves unanswered one important question: what the hell was God thinking here?







Some Dick-jitsu advice on rebuffing the ID concept: Agree with the idea of ID but insist aliens are the designers.
ReplyBut who designed the aliens?? :D
Intelligent Design is a trash argument, but they have the right idea, they just don't think it out enough. If God exists (spoiler alert: He does) then He would have no need to create things after the Big Bang. Since He is omnipotent, he could design the universe in such a way that the complex form of life we see today were already "part of the plan" before time even began. Having Him do anything else supposes an imperfect god (which goes against all theistic teachings) because only an imperfect god would have the need to do this, and thus interfere with the free will of man, while breeding superstition.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesGod isn't constantly meddling with the universe because doing so makes people superstitious, in that we don't rely on natural law to keep the universe running smoothly, but rather the appeasement of God (The Aztecs lived in such a way). Because God wants us to seek answers and knowledge, He provided answers to these questions which do not rely on His proverbial hand keeping airplanes in the air, for example. If the cause of every physical law was Him, we would be stripped of the ability not to believe in Him. This is why Intelligent Design is invalid from a religious standpoint (without mentioning a scientific one).
I know atheists and trolls will go about their usual "Ohhh! U believe in fairy tales herp derp!!", but just listen to me, it all makes sense. There is a God, who created a universe full of secrets for His children to uncover. Religion doesn't stifle knowledge, it promotes it. For those of you who are still with me, thanks for your attention.
I read your post and understand how what you're saying could make sense to someone who acknowledges science, but believes in God. I too think Intelligent Design is a trash argument. Your argument, eloquent as it is, does not hold up on religious level. (I'm assuming you are most likely a Christian, but my point works for Jewish and Muslim folks too.)
By saying things like "He would have no need to create things after the Big Bang...God isn't constantly meddling with the universe because doing so makes people superstitious...he could design the universe in such a way that the complex form of life we see today were already "part of the plan" before time even began. Having Him do anything else supposes an imperfect god..." it sounds like you're essentially saying that God never messed with us because doing so would indicate an imperfect plan: He caused the Big Bang and then stepped back to let things happen as planned. The problem is how do you explain all the times He did in both the old and new testaments? Like the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, killing Err for being wicked in His presence, the Exodus, etc. If you believe in God, you have to take everything that comes with Him, otherwise it'd be like preaching Star Trek while saying Kirk never screwed up (ie Khaaaaan!!!).
Unless you're making a new religion of course.
Let me translate that for you:
“God DOES exist! He DOES, he DOES, he DOES, you mean poopy-head atheists! What? Evidence? I don’t have any, but it makes total sense if you just push the goalposts far enough and make sure your claims can’t ever be falsified! Nyah-yah-yah!”
You sound like a Deist.
Hey buddy, what about the origin of matter? You seem to put in all of the easily debatable arguments, but leave out the ones you can't explain. Shitbag.
Reply Hide All See All 7 RepliesAnd in reference to Occam's Razor, which means that the simplest explanation is often the most accurate(and doesn't in fact have anything to do with magical dingle-berries), wouldn't intelligent design be much simpler then a complex set of events all happening randomly to create life? You are a brainwashed idiot. Just because it's your college professor's opinion, doesn't mean it's right.
Actually it has been argued that having to posit an infinitely complex being to design everything would be more complex than evolution. Also, jesus would not approve of your aggressive posture, but then again he was nothing more than a crazy jew who thought he was god and preached communism to everyone he could.
Please try not to be an idiot...
Lets say that everything must have a cause, since you want a cause (i.e. God) for the existence of matter. Then what caused God to exist?
If you say "well, God always existed" Then why not say "Matter always existed and be done with it?
God doesn't necessarily exist in the same plane of time passage as matter. He created all of it. Just because we can't fathom how that's possible, doesn't mean it's not true. The bacteria on our bodies don't have the capacity to realize what we are, does that mean we don't exist?
God isn't necessarily constructed from matter, either. Who knows what his composition is?
And bilbobaggins, don't go bringing Jesus into this, cuz I didn't.
*le sigh*
Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of matter. Absolutely nothing. It also has nothing to do with the origin of life itself. It simply provides an almost ironclad explanation to explain the diversity of life. It doesnt depend on where the first reproducing life came from. It could have been the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Russel's Teapot. It makes no difference to the theory of evolution where life comes from. There is plenty of room for personal beliefs of God when it comes to accepting the theory of evolution. Just ask the Catholics!
Intelligent design is not an honest, respected, or tested theory. It began as and still is a disingenuous attempt to sneak creationism into science classes. Look up "The Discovery Institute," "the Wedge Document," "Cdesign Propenentsists," and "Kitzmiller vs. Dover" for more information on this dishonesty.
@DenaCrawford, Why are you walking about evolution? I'm not. I never mentioned it, nor discounted it. All I said was that Intelligent Design is a plausible explanation for the origin of matter. So why are you telling me that evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life? I never said it did.
And of course it's not respected or tested. How are you supposed to test it? And if you can't test it, how can a scientist respect it? Just because most scientists scorn at the idea that not everything is based on explainable phenomena, doesn't mean it's not a viable hypothesis.
@TimmiT
I brought up evolution because the only reason the Intelligent Design movement was invented was to teach it alongside/replace evolution. Research it.
And I know plenty of scientists who believe in all kind of different explanations for the world's beginning. That is not what I was referring to. Science cannot look for supernatural explanations, it can only look for natural ones. ID isn't trying to be philosophical, it is trying to be science. It is in no way scientific. THAT is why it deserves scorn, not because of its ideas on the origin of matter.
You want an explanation for the origin of matter? Okay: A unicorn farted it out. That’s just as plausible and has just as much (read: no) evidence as “some god made in some unspecified manner.” The (supposed) lack of a scientific explanation doesn’t make your pet explanation right by default (that would be a contradiction: “It can’t be explained, therefore I can explain it”).
As for Occam’s razor: It does NOT say that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one, it says that the explanation with the FEWEST ASSUMPTIONS is most likely the correct one. Evolution contents itself with limiting itself to things grounded in reality while Intelligent Design has to resort to magic, which Occam’s razor would cut away.
A very very detailed, reasoned, and funny argument. Loved the comment on Occam's Razor.
ReplyGod would be in/the 10th dimmension. probably. Also, WHAT THE HELL, AHH MONSTER!!1 :P
ReplyI see your subtler jab in the choice of the mudskipper, and I approve.
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