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« on: November 04, 2009, 01:16 PM »

http://englishrussia.com/?p=5492#more-5492

I think this one will give me nightmares, but I love the rest of them.

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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2009, 01:47 PM »



Well, I always knew I'd have to learn Russian at some point.  I guess that point is now.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 03:48 PM »

Here, I've translated a couple for you:



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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 12:21 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 04:38 AM »



Well, I always knew I'd have to learn Russian at some point.  I guess that point is now.

It's an ad for ice cream from the Ministry for Meat and Dairy Goods.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2009, 01:05 AM »




Not only was Arm and Hammer actually a radical left wing political party in the US, the tycoon Armand Hammer, (who was actually named after the political party, was rumored to have laundered money for the Soviets.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2009, 02:12 AM »

So wait, the Soviets marketed and advertised commercial products? Is there something about Communism I'm not quite understanding?
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2009, 05:14 AM »



An neat contrast in the style and subjects can be seen if you compare those above to this collection of what are apparently pre-Communist posters.  They have less of that 'drawn by committee' look.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2009, 05:39 PM »

So wait, the Soviets marketed and advertised commercial products? Is there something about Communism I'm not quite understanding?

I feel like most of these shitty products were simply been issued to the population and then these posters were made by the government to make the masses feel better about their butter made from boiled possum fat.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2009, 12:25 AM »

Soviet products were never "issued" to the population. People's jobs paid just the way they do in the West, and they chose for themselves which products to buy. There wasn't any competition among ice cream brands, but you could still choose to stay at home and eat momma's cookies instead. Obviously, if you're a ministry with targets for ice-cream consumption to meet, that's a bad thing.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2009, 12:34 AM »

So wait, the Soviets marketed and advertised commercial products? Is there something about Communism I'm not quite understanding?

Of course they did. First off, USSR was not communist (just as transvestite men claiming to be women are not women). Just as Parcae said, Soviet workers were paid as were workers in the west. Where do you think this pay had to come from? From selling stuff. the people worked for the government producing stuff which the government would sell back to to the people.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2009, 12:40 AM »

By the way, if you're interested in what that ad for pencils says, it's:

A. Hammer (not transliterated)

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American commercial concession "A. Hammer"

Pencils and [can't remember this word]

Moscow, New York
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2009, 12:48 AM »



Pencils and [can't remember this word]

Moscow, New York

My guess is that it says "pencils of scribers" as it is in genitive plural form.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2009, 01:33 AM »

So wait, the Soviets marketed and advertised commercial products? Is there something about Communism I'm not quite understanding?

Of course they did. First off, USSR was not communist (just as transvestite men claiming to be women are not women). Just as Parcae said, Soviet workers were paid as were workers in the west. Where do you think this pay had to come from? From selling stuff. the people worked for the government producing stuff which the government would sell back to to the people.

So basically, the USSR was a Blade Runner style MegaCorp?
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2009, 02:12 AM »


So basically, the USSR was a Blade Runner style MegaCorp?

I have to admit (with slight embarrassment) that although I've heard of Blade Runner, I have not read the novel(s) nor have I watched the film(s), thus I'm not familiar with the concept of a megacorporation within Blade Runner's context. Supposing it does not differ from the general understanding of megacorporation, then, yes pretty much.
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2009, 02:22 AM »

To be perfectly honest I haven't seen it or read the book it's based on either, though everyone in family says I have seen the movie, which is quite odd I must say.
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2009, 08:29 AM »



Whatever he's selling, I'm not buying.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2009, 11:39 AM »




So basically, the USSR was a Blade Runner style MegaCorp?

Not really.  For one thing, there was no profit motive.  Price controls were everywhere, so that even a dude reselling his car to another dude could only charge a certain fraction of the already-below-market-value original selling price.  Which led to the fun phenomenon in late 80's east germany of people buying their car on the black market  for fair market value and then suing to recover the chunk of the sales price above state-sanctioned value.  Eventually the GDR's high court got wise and started being a little less sympathetic to the buyer in black market price gouging suits.

Also unlike a single corporation, the "state" didn't make everything as one organisation, the way a company might.  Instead, different state owned but relatively independent firms made a lot of shit (independent of the state, not the party), contracting with each other within the context of plan goals. 

The problem was contract breaches.  If a firm breached a contract to supply coal to a powerplant, say, the state could not just award money damages: all the other coal produced in the country was assigned to someone else under the plan and had already been contracted for, so the injured party couldn't buy replacement goods on the market.  So arbitraz courts became extremely flexible, focusing on finding a practical solution that would allow both parties to reach plan goals rather than a legal solution that would award both parties their contract rights, which made contracts themselves little more than blame-assigning documents for when plan goals weren't met.

Meanwhile the whole thing was supported by an undergirding of massive black market activity.  Every firm had an employ whose job was to buy needed supplies on the black market; the USSR was fed by food grown on private plots, sold to the state, and then sold back to the people at subsidized prices; whole black market factories existed; etc. 

I'm taking a class on eastern european law right now; I don't normally have a desire to spout barely-relevant information about the soviet union.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2009, 12:11 PM »

Whatever he's selling, I'm not buying.

Aaaahhh!!  I hate his product, as it has drained many hours of my life away.

He's selling the "advantages" of the Sberkassa, which was sort of like the only way you could pay things back in the day.

Nowadays, when I want to pay my phone bill, I take the piece of paper to the same Sberbank that they used to use.  I find out which babushka is last in line, and tell her that I'll wait behind her.  Then, after about 45 minutes or so, and two arguments about who's behind who in the line of 30 people in the small lobby, you get to the front.  The lady snarls at you if you don't give her exact change, but eventually you manage to get a small receipt saying you've paid your bill.  Of course, the next day when your electrical bill arrives, you have to go down and do it all over again.

I tried explaining to a Russian friend the concept of online billpay, or even cheques, but he just couldn't believe that paying bills could possibly be handled without waiting in a line somewhere.  I guess I just need to learn to be more culturally sensitive, but every time my life comes into contact with the Sberkassa I know I'm going to lose a little bit of my soul.
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