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« on: August 31, 2009, 02:08 AM »

Receiving Criticism:

If you want feedback, chances are you are going to get some. But you might not like it. In five seconds someone might call the project you just spent months writing, acting, directing and filming a total piece of unfunny shit.  If this bothers you, don't make movies. People attempting entertainment of any sort require a thick skin.

If your first reaction is to call someone else a douchebag or a dirty motherfucker then you will never succeed at this. Take the criticism and move on or ignore it and move on. Don't turn into a whiny bitch because at that point your time here is done and you will never get a second chance.

Some people have made really bad videos and were told that. They laughed it off and the mood completely changed and they got good feedback.

Even amidst the fuck yous you might even find some tips that can help future projects. But the second you get angry at people giving you feedback any hope of getting those tips will be gone.

Summary: Critics can get angry at you, even downright violent.  You cannot. That's how it works. Deal with it.


Giving Criticism:

Look at you underwear. Check the name. Does it say John Cheese? No? Then don't try to act like him. If it does say John Cheese then you're a liar. John doesn't wear underwear.

John Cheese is good at what he does. He has turned angry critiques into art form. He can make them humorous and amusing.

People who try to emulate him come off as dense mouth breathers who cannot do anything unless they see someone else do it first. They're big fans of laugh tracks because they'd have no clue otherwise as to what is funny and what is not.

Leave that kind of criticism to the pros. It doesn't mean you can't comment on something and say it's unfunny. Just don't get angry about it unless you know what you're doing.

You don't have to have a Masters in fecology to know what shit smells like, but the fecologist knows WHY the shit smells and can help change that shit into something better.

And if you do have suggestions then give them. If you're there just to gang up on someone, then don't bother posting at all.

Summary: If you have nothing to add other than unfocused and unwitty anger, stay out of the thread.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009, 02:23 AM »

Hey Technohawk I really think you should label this thread as NSFW if you're going to be sucking cheese's dick here.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 04:29 AM »

I think you should shut your fucking mouth and stop posting in threads that are actually helpful since you're such a huge, annoying cocksucker.  I'm locking this one so other dipshits like yourself can't taint it with their overwhelming stupidity.
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2009, 04:57 AM »

The thread was already locked, dude. You just unlocked it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2009, 05:03 AM »

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If your first reaction is to call someone else a douchebag or a dirty motherfucker then you will never succeed at this. Take the criticism and move on or ignore it and move on. Don't turn into a whiny bitch because at that point your time here is done and you will never get a second chance.
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Just thought someone should read this.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2009, 05:40 AM »

Zach makes a good point, although in a very roundabout way.

This is pretty much a forum for people who want to Cracked to consider their videos. I'm pretty sure the only reason that this subforum is open for everyone to see is that Cracked wants the comedy filmmakers to have enough criticism to improve, thus creating material more worthy of the front page.

I don't think this subforum should be some form of Gong Show, where we wait for retardation, and then jump in as fast as we can, elated in that we get to be cunts. It's just uncouth. It doesn't help Cracked at all, and it doesn't help the filmmakers. Really, the only purpose it serves is improving a post count, and some percieved self worth.

Whether it's John Cheese, or some copycat, it doesn't really change things.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2009, 06:08 AM »

The fuck?

I thought the general message for both givers and receivers of criticism to not be assholes was fairly clear. What the hell happened?
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 06:17 AM »

You didn't give it enough tongue is what happened.
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2009, 06:30 AM »

I don't see how that's my fault, it's not like there was a lot for me to wrap my tongue around.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2009, 05:47 AM »

PMs and emails aside (and there have been many since this thread was awakened A MONTH AN A HALF after being originally posted), wake the fuck up.  Tech made a good point about the nature of this forum and the nature of this section within that forum.  That point is "don't get defensive and start lashing out against the critiques you receive."  Then he made a few jokes about how much of an asshole I am in this section, and the fact that others copy me without actually understanding what I do and why I do it.  That wasn't Zach's bitch.  Zach's bitch was that Tech was sucking my dick.  Personally, I could give a flying fuck less if both Zach and Tech got into a car and drove off of the side of a cliff Thema and Louise style and met their flaming deaths while drinking girly drinks and comparing tampons.  I don't know them - I don't care about them - my life goes on just fine with or without them.  They are faceless people on an unfeeling plane.  Love them both or fuck them both - it means the same thing to me.

If I tell someone, "go fuck yourself," it's because they've spent zero time on a video about them trying to reproduce a Jackass video.  Or they've gotten their friends drunk and filmed them trying to sing a Britney Spears song.  Or they're just making funny faces into a webcam.  Or they're trying to parody a song that is ALREADY A PARODY.

The vast majority of my other critiques actually contain information that, if read and taken to heart, can actually improve the piece.  I am an absolute dick about it.  I don't give a fuck if that makes you all sad inside or not.  Here's the probelm (and it's the problem that Tech was trying to point out):  other people on the forum read that shit and think that if they tell the poster that their video sucks, they're doing the same thing.  They're not in most cases.  And that's what makes those people rock-fuck stupid.

Here's the irony:  I actually do back up what most of these whiney fags are saying.  Don't go into a thread and just be a dick for the sake of being a dick.  But here's the catch:  when some fucking retard comes in here and posts something that was made in two minutes, if you don't call them on it, then this entire section will be filled with 100 other people doing the same exact thing every single day.  Calling people out on bullshit like that weeds out the below average scum that makes up youtube.

But say someone comes in and has put actual work into a video, but it still sucks... I still call them on it.  If it's REALLY bad, I do it in the same dickish way.  But most of the time, I'll do it in a way that lets them know where it all went wrong.  When I tell someone that I stopped watching at 1:14 into the video, it lets them know that their intro was bad.  It lets them know that everything that led up to that point needs fixing.  If I think that it will make the video legitimately watchable, I'll explain what actually went wrong - what jokes were cliche... what line killed the skit.

But what most of you crying little bitches don't ever bring up is the fact that I do compliment when a video needs complimenting.  In fact, since this section of the forum was created, I've called almost every single video that has made the front page.  I look at absolutely everything from the eye of the average web surfer, and I comment accordingly.  But I don't think that the average Cracked poster has the ability to do that without appearing to be a gangbanger.

This is not a place where the "if you don't have anything nice to say" rule applies.  But it's also not a place where you need to suck off every video you see just for the sake of being nice.  There's a fine line in what to say and what not to say.  I cross that line quite often.  I'm a dick.  I know that.  No, I'm not going to change anytime soon.  But in that same vein, that doesn't mean that everyone in here needs to pile on and start fucking whatever hole my dick is not currently inserted into.

Zach said what he said in the same exact manner that I use when I bust on videos.  I called him on it in the same way that he called Tech on it.  So be it.  People feel the need to be heard, which is why this forum and this section of that forum even exists in the first place.  But don't for one second think he was being all profound and making some deep point besides, "Technohawk, you were sucking off John Cheese and I'm saying this because it made me angry when I read it."  If you think that, then you are exactly that fucking stupid.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2009, 06:37 AM »

You're right, Cheese. You're doing good work out there. Hang in there, pal!
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2009, 12:23 PM »

Wow, this thread is still open. I'm just going to go ahead and lock it, to avoid any future embarrassment.
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