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« on: June 15, 2009, 08:24 PM »

Unbelievable. A police officer stopped an ambulance transporting a patient. The confrontation is caught on cellphone camera by the patients family, who were following the ambulance.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0509/626636.html
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 08:36 PM »

Who the hell pulls over an ambulance? Did the cops not notice the sirens?
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 08:43 PM »

officer D-bag reporting for duty, what an ass.
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 08:43 PM »

here is the video from the patrol car:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31376393#31376393
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 10:25 PM »

I can't imagine his justification. Can anyone make out what they're saying? Between their accent and the audio quality, I can barely make out what's wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 10:45 PM »

I just saw a story about this on CNN. Apparently the ambulance committed a traffic violation and was driving to the hospital without its lights or sirens on even though they had a patient on board. The officer stopped the ambulance and what happened on the video followed. The CNN story said that the person aboard the ambulance was treated and released.

The officer should have been taken in for psychiatric evaluation in my opinion though. What part of "protect and serve" didn't he understand when the EMT told him that there was a patient on board?
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 11:05 PM »

Apparently the first thing to assume when seeing an ambulance speeding around is that the driver is on a joy-ride of some kind.
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 11:22 PM »

Youtube for normal people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4G37Ouy164
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 11:27 PM »

On CNN they explained the traffic violation was that the Ambulance didn't give the right of way, and the driver explained it was because the cop came up on them too fast for him to react.

So, ambulance drivers driving skills aside, the cop was being a colossal ass. The traffic violation wasn't even serious, and it's one I shrug off every time I'm cut off in traffic. While I wouldn't expect a cop to shrug off some random asshole cutting him off, this was a fucking emergency vehicle for chrissakes.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2009, 11:42 PM »

Trooper has been on suspension since June 1st. All charges against the Ambulance crew were dropped.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2009, 11:54 PM »

It was a bizarre situation to observe. Police officers and EMTs both have certain things they can legally do while on duty that the average civilian cannot. Before this, I had actually never heard of something like this happening. If an EMT commits a glaring traffic violation without emergency lights on, I suppose he or she should be held responsible, but as soon as it's made known that there is a patient in that ambulance, the first priority should be to get them on their way. Eventually, after the scuffle, the officer said he would let them get to the hospital then arrest the man there, but I think that should have been the first resort.

If the officer had been calm and collected during the stop, I may have taken his side for the first part of this situation. Unfortunately, as soon as he left his vehicle, he was abrasive and confrontational.

Also, one of the medics mentioned in passing that the officer could have radioed the medics and either explained his side of the situation (why he wanted to pull them over), or asked them to explain theirs (why they failed to yield without activating their emergency lights). I think this would have been the most obvious and beneficial course of action, since the ambulance would have been able to continue toward its destination as the situation was figured out.

That said, if the medics did fail to yield without emergency lights, that could have caused a severe accident and should be addressed. It's just a shame that the trooper addressed it in such an improper way.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 12:07 AM »

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I just saw a story about this on CNN. Apparently the ambulance committed a traffic violation and was driving to the hospital without its lights or sirens on even though they had a patient on board.

I'm pretty sure that EMT's don't  run 'code' for every patient.  Maybe someone in the know could say more.

Also, EMT Maurice White is bad ass.  He didn't swear or become hostile but he still didn't back down once. He's totally unflappable.

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Apparently the ambulance committed a traffic violation and was driving to the hospital without its lights or sirens on even though they had a patient on board.

Dickhead cop says clearly in the video that the ambulance driver was going to get his because he flipped the bird to dickhead cop.  According to White, he didn't flip the cop off.  He put his hand up in a "what did I do?" gesture.  Even if he did flip him off then so what?  If I'm not allowed to pull ambulances over and choke a bitch when someone flips me off then cops shouldn't be allowed to do it either.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 12:08 AM »

Trooper says he was himself in an emergency situation, going to the scene of a crime or whatever, and the ambulance cut HIM off, without the lights on. Then when he pulled the ambulance over, the ambulance driver gave him the finger. That's when the trooper lost his shit.

If it sounds like I'm defending the Trooper, keep in mind that his entire job - his ENTIRE job - hinges on not losing his shit when people do irritating things. See, that's why they trust you with that gun, officer, it's because you are supposed to have the ability to not throw a tantrum like a toddler when things get stressful and people cross you.

From my limited view of the situation, he is dangerous to have on the job. If knowing he was keeping a patient away from the emergency room wasn't enough to get his rational mind working, then one of these days he's going to do a lot worse.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 05:17 AM »

That said, if the medics did fail to yield without emergency lights, that could have caused a severe accident and should be addressed. It's just a shame that the trooper addressed it in such an improper way.

Honestly, if you watch it again (once you know what's going on) and see the part where he overtakes the ambulance, at the exact point at which the ambulance should have yielded to let him pass, there's another car on the side of the road (presumably yielding to either the ambulance or the cop) and he has to go back into the middle of the road to avoid that car.  Only then can he pull over.  In the end, he doesn't fully yield, but I think the whole thing might have been avoided had that car not been there and the ambulance driver been able to pull over right away.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 08:09 AM »

Believe it or not, you may be paying for the lights/siren when you're transported via ambulance.  At least, this was true a number of years ago.  My mom and sister were in a collision and they went in separate vehicles.  Mom got the sirens, Kim did not.  When the statement came, the charge for Mom's ambulance was higher.  And it's not like they provided Mom with more care while she was in the ambulance, either. 

I think the trooper was way out of line, once the situation was explained to him.  If he was on an emergency call of his own, I'm wondering how that situation played out while he was dicking around with the ambulance crew.

What depresses me though is how complacent drivers are nowadays when it comes to pulling over for emergency vehicles.  They're all la-de-da and very lackadaisical when it comes to moving over.  I am guessing that they're all wearing iPods and don't hear the sirens, or texting and don't see the flashing lights.

I am glad that the woman suffered no ill effects for the delay in getting treatment, and I hope that her family doesn't come away with a distorted view of the police based on one cracker cop giving them a hard time.
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2009, 09:41 AM »

According to Illinois law the cop was at least partially right.  (I was trained in Illinois, so that is what I know)  However it is obvious that the cop let his ego do the talking and override his commen sense.  And since cop (along with firefighter and EMT) is a profession that tends to attract those with more than their fair share of ego this happens quite often.  That NFL player driving to see his dying mother-in-law was the last high profile one I can remember.  In my firefighter training course I saw the video from of a St. Louis cop arresting a firefighter on the scene of a vehicle extrication because he wouldn't move his firetruck.  And there are plenty of other examples.

But even if the cop was technically right, it is obvious that he is more interested in getting the proper respect out of the situation than correcting any illegal actions, and he is defiantly more worried about respect than trying to reasonably deal with the current situation.  And as David said, we give cops alot of power, and the most important thing they need to remember about that power is that it shouldn't be used to win dick waving contests.
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2009, 11:37 AM »

His wife was probably banging an EMT or something.

It's odd that he would invoke his own emergency as an excuse, seeing as he decided to pull over an ambulance instead of, you know, continuing to drive towards that emergency of his.
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2009, 12:34 PM »

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A brief struggle followed, at which point the trooper grabbed White by the throat.
Clearly a rational response to the situation. 

This is what happens when you sit around watching Dirty Harry and rubbing one out every night.  As far as the "failure to yield" thing goes, if you watch at the beginning the reason he doesn't immediately pull over is that there's a car stopped in the shoulder.  As soon as they clear the car they do brake and pull over as the trooper races past.  Should they have crashed into it?  Officer Cock-fistula wasn't in so much of hurry that he couldn't turn around and have a six-minute freakout at a pair of EMTs over an ambiguous hand gesture. 

I also noticed that the trooper twice took the situation out of range of the dash cam.  Once onto the side of the patrol car and again in front of the ambulance.  Not remotely suspicious, come inquiry time. 
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