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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2009, 12:39 AM »

Also, what's up with no one defending the Bee Gees?

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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2009, 01:01 AM »

Yes, 'smooth jazz' is not jazz.  Congratulations to the author for pointing that out.  You can almost say that the reason that smooth jazz is hated is because it is so innocuous.  It is the shit that you hear in the elevator, but it is also the shit that makes me not want to murder the asshole that just cut me off in rush-hour traffic.  Back off that shit.  It is the glue that keeps me together when I make it to the office an hour late because everyone driving by the wreck had to take a good, hard look at it.  Of course, I choose my smooth jazz carefully.

Finally.  He discribes people that decry that they 'like all types of music' by saying that they are people that really 'don't care enough about music to have an opinion about it.'  I'm fucking sorry that I don't care if it is classical or nu-metal.  If I detect artistry in it, I like it.  I am genuinely sorry that I am not an over-opinionated prat that feels the need to answer the question, "So... What kind of music are you into?" by listing fifteen genres and claiming that all other music is crap.

I think he bullseyed you in that section and it struck a nerve.  No offense, dude, but you can't listen to smooth jazz on purpose and have strong opinions about music.  No that there's anything wrong with that.  Some people like vanilla and some people like rocky road. It's not a big deal.

I don't think System of a Down deserves to be saddled with the responsibility of all of nu-metal's crimes, though.  Of all the bands that get labeled as such, Soad does the most to distance themselves from the pack with pure innovation and inventiveness.  Guilt by association isn't adequate, because they do kick quite a bit of ass when they aren't busy soapboxing.  Even then, they tend to kick some.

If he's going to pin the swarms of copycat bands that emerged under the nu-metal banner on anyone, it should be Korn, considering they launched that whole sound.

Every other point he makes is completely accurate, if so obvious as to go without saying at all.
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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2009, 01:13 AM »

Actually, I rarely listen to what is officially known as 'smooth jazz.'  There was a radio station in the St. Louis area that played smooth jazz though, and I listened to it on the way to work because it was the only station that didn't have talk on.  I added that paragraph so that it didn't seem like the only genre I wanted to defend was 'nu-metal.'  It wasn't his opinion that struck a nerve, it was his pompus cockiness that he used to state it.

When you say that his points were so obvious as to go without saying, that is something I agree with.  He takes his target audience on a ride of the most easily ridiculed music in history and props it up like he is writing the first doctoral thesis on Simulism.  (http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html)  If I was to write in the musical complaints thread that I dislike Country, "Hilly-billy Rock," Adult Contemp., etc., then you would merciliessly berate me like the fucking hack that I am.  That is what struck a nerve.  The fact that we are all twiddling our thumbs and giving this guys a thousand hits to his website.
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2009, 01:26 AM »

Yes, 'smooth jazz' is not jazz.  Congratulations to the author for pointing that out.  You can almost say that the reason that smooth jazz is hated is because it is so innocuous.  It is the shit that you hear in the elevator, but it is also the shit that makes me not want to murder the asshole that just cut me off in rush-hour traffic.  Back off that shit.  It is the glue that keeps me together when I make it to the office an hour late because everyone driving by the wreck had to take a good, hard look at it.  Of course, I choose my smooth jazz carefully.

Finally.  He discribes people that decry that they 'like all types of music' by saying that they are people that really 'don't care enough about music to have an opinion about it.'  I'm fucking sorry that I don't care if it is classical or nu-metal.  If I detect artistry in it, I like it.  I am genuinely sorry that I am not an over-opinionated prat that feels the need to answer the question, "So... What kind of music are you into?" by listing fifteen genres and claiming that all other music is crap.

I think he bullseyed you in that section and it struck a nerve.  No offense, dude, but you can't listen to smooth jazz on purpose and have strong opinions about music.  No that there's anything wrong with that.  Some people like vanilla and some people like rocky road. It's not a big deal.

I don't think System of a Down deserves to be saddled with the responsibility of all of nu-metal's crimes, though.  Of all the bands that get labeled as such, Soad does the most to distance themselves from the pack with pure innovation and inventiveness.  Guilt by association isn't adequate, because they do kick quite a bit of ass when they aren't busy soapboxing.  Even then, they tend to kick some.
If he's going to pin the swarms of copycat bands that emerged under the nu-metal banner on anyone, it should be Korn, considering they launched that whole sound.

Every other point he makes is completely accurate, if so obvious as to go without saying at all.

Yeah, System rules. No way n hell nu-metal is the worst, there have been bands that range from great (SoaD) to good (Slipknot, although i know I will get flamed for that) to decent (Godsmack). Rap metal is far worse. Limp Bizcut is the biggest rap-metal band of all time. I defy you to tell me they are better than Slipknot.
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2009, 01:33 AM »

Rap metal is far worse. Limp Bizcut is the biggest rap-metal band of all time. I defy you to tell me they are better than Slipknot.

If it's a choice between Herpes or Gonorrhea, neither are better. How's that answer?
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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2009, 02:49 AM »

Like most people who say they hate nu metal, the author clearly doesn't know much about it. There are the godawful nu metal bands like Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit, but there are also the good ones like the ones that ElAcran and Hacksaw mentioned, and... OK, all of the good ones have been mentioned already. Except Drowning Pool, and arguably Chimaira. Nu metal's one of those things where when it's good it's really good, and when it's bad it's really bad. Sort of like cheese, really, except with guitars and screaming. And given that I just compared nu metal to cheese, I think I really should be going to sleep right about now.

Oh my Christ. I would rather listen to crunkcore and whatever Brokencyde are, 24/7.

That would be crunkcore.
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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2009, 03:06 AM »

So nothing's wrong about Gangsta Rap with the music itself, it's really just how the people who listen to it present themselves as total douchebags because they are too busy trying to offend people? And that's why it's on the list of some of the most hated genre's ever?

Can't say I've ever cranked up Wu-Tang Clan in my sunbaked 1995 Ford Taurus while trying to deliberately piss people off.  Especially since I still have the handicap tags on it from the previous owner; my grandmother.
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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2009, 03:14 AM »

Oh my Christ. I would rather listen to crunkcore and whatever Brokencyde are, 24/7.

That would be crunkcore.

I thought it was called "screamo"

So nothing's wrong about Gangsta Rap with the music itself, it's really just how the people who listen to it present themselves as total douchebags because they are too busy trying to offend people? And that's why it's on the list of some of the most hated genre's ever?

Can't say I've ever cranked up Wu-Tang Clan in my sunbaked 1995 Ford Taurus while trying to deliberately piss people off.  Especially since I still have the handicap tags on it from the previous owner; my grandmother.

I don't really consider Wu-Tang to be gangsta.  I think of NWA when I think "gangsta" but that's just how I was raised.
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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2009, 03:35 AM »

Hm...well Dr. Dre's the Chronic happens to be in my car now that I think about it, but that still doesn't really piss people off to the point where they turn and look at me in disgust and are inspired to write a "Most Hated" column. I have one sub in my car that hits like shit, but even if it did thump up and down the street, would it really matter what music I would be playing in order for it to be considered annoying at that point? Any genre that loud, from the Magic Flute to African drum solos featuring Lil' Wayne, can be annoying. Do most of the people who blast their music choose Hip-Hop/Gangsta Rap? It seems so, but I don't think that it warrants to be a "Most Hated" genre. In my eyes, at least.

You don't think Wu-Tang is very gangsta in their thuggish ways? I always considered them fairly gangsta and just as "violent" and a bit deeper in context compared to NWA. But that doesn't change the point of my story: That my car sucks ass.
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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2009, 04:40 AM »

No, I agree with this:

even if it did thump up and down the street, would it really matter what music I would be playing in order for it to be considered annoying at that point? Any genre that loud, from the Magic Flute to African drum solos featuring Lil' Wayne, can be annoying. Do most of the people who blast their music choose Hip-Hop/Gangsta Rap? It seems so, but I don't think that it warrants to be a "Most Hated" genre. In my eyes, at least.

I just think that gangsta rap as a sub-genre of rap connotes a strong west coast flavor with p-funk influence as instituted by Dr. Dre and co., or similar themes explored in Houston area rap like the Geto Boys, around the same time.  Those groups self-identified as "gangsta" and built a lyrical mythology around gang-culture specifically. 

East Coast hip-hop has it's own pedigree and influences, and never really depended on underlying affiliations to lend gravitas to the style or substance of their music, with a lot more focus on complex lyricism and mix-mastery.  With Wu Tang, it was all about comic book and kung fu references and a general sense of badassery, rather than the red vs blue thing ever-present in the West Coast themes.

You can call it gangsta and not be technically wrong, I guess.  I've just never heard most groups from the New York scene call themselves that at all.  Hard-core hip hop is more accurate if you want a label on it.
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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2009, 08:52 AM »

This thread serves to remind us all that the endless pigeonholing of anything - music included - can only lead to silly ideas.
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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2009, 10:50 AM »

I had a rant but I forgot it so I'm just going to say this.. I just imagined SoaD as anthromorphic cheese.
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« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2009, 11:31 PM »

Honestly, like people are saying, it's way to hard to classify an entire genre as bad. You can't just say techno is hated. There is tons of techno songs, some are good (and popular) and some aren't. Nu metal isn't that bad. He is right that ICP is maybe the epitome of terrible, but nu metal stil isn't that bad. Plus ICP is hardly nu metal, they're more hiphop, probably horrorcore. And horrorcore ain't that bad, just ICP. I think ICP should be #1 most hated musical group. They suck :(
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