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« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2003, 01:22 PM »

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Cyrai, I think i meant off-the-cuff. As in, "Picasso painted off-the-cuff, which was good" or "He walked off-the-cuff, a free man at last". But I might have said it wrong.


I'm not going to argue this point, as it's completely irrelevant to the argument. You may have used it right or you may have used it wrong; I don't care.

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And also, attaching poetic value to a text and then posting it as a complaint? WTF? Isn't that rather subjective? I mean, his intentions were to write poetry.


I have never ever heard anyone define poetry as someone listing their interests or favorites. Dictionary.com says that poetry is
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A verbal composition designed to convey experiences, ideas, or emotions in a vivid and imaginative way, characterized by the use of language chosen for its sound and suggestive power and by the use of literary techniques such as meter, metaphor, and rhyme.


Experiences conveyed? I can't find any. Ideas conveyed? I read that, and I get the idea that life is short and so you should spend it with people. I beg you, tell me the ideas that you get from this poem, so I can see its incredible value as clearly as you can.* And I don't consider it very vivid to write "Interests: Dance, Film, Graphic and Web Design, Languages, Travelling, Books, Art...and of course enjoy having some intimate and personal time with someone special!"

The part about sound and suggestive power and all of the rest is hard to define, so I would like to hear what you consider powerful and metaphorical about the rest of the poem.

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I do have hopes, goals, and dreams which I may tell you about as I get to know you. But on daily basis, I try to savour all the small moments that make up my larger lifetime.


Any regular Joe or Mike might read that and see a bundle of  words loosely held together by magic. But an irregular Jim or Stephane will read that and discover lots of things. See how he leaves out "a" in "a daily basis" ? Reference to Genesis, where it is said that man spoke without prepositions. And the generating of positive 'tension' in the unconventional phrase "make up my larger lifetime".. Well, that's just innovatived write.



I've never heard anything about people in Genesis not using prepositions, and I tried to look when you brought it up. Please do find that for me, because, in all actuality, if that were true, I would be very interested in that, but as I'm not able to find anything on that idea, I don't believe it. And I like the bit about how you talk about poetry and writing style, and then you write innovatived write. That is the single best example of ironing I've ever seen.

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*Here I'm saying that A is the case, where A is that this poem has incredible value, but actually I mean that A isn't the case.
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« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2003, 02:36 PM »



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KRAMER (moves over and sits next to George): Do you ever yearn?

GEORGE: Yearn? Do I yearn?

KRAMER: I yearn.

GEORGE: You yearn.

KRAMER: Oh, yes. Yes, I yearn. Often, I...I sit...and yearn.
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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2003, 03:36 PM »

Hey Stubborn Alexander!!!

I know Jim, and Josh, and Tim, Frank, and Rod, and Louisa, and Sally, and Fran, and Ken, and Stein, and Mack, and Peter, and John, and Tom, and Henry, and Gale.  Oh, and my entire family, and my co-workers, and my friends.



BOOYAH!!!
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« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2003, 04:07 PM »

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Cyrai, I think i meant off-the-cuff. As in, "Picasso painted off-the-cuff, which was good" or "He walked off-the-cuff, a free man at last". But I might have said it wrong.


I'm not going to argue this point, as it's completely irrelevant to the argument. You may have used it right or you may have used it wrong; I don't care.


I can't say i disagree very much. That whole off-the-cuff argument was useless from the start. But it's grown into a monstrosity now. So, if it doesn't refer to something being written (in this case) without boundaries presented by (again, in this case) styles, what does it mean?

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And also, attaching poetic value to a text and then posting it as a complaint? WTF? Isn't that rather subjective? I mean, his intentions were to write poetry.


I have never ever heard anyone define poetry as someone listing their interests or favorites. Dictionary.com says that poetry isDictionary.com wrote:
A verbal composition designed to convey experiences, ideas, or emotions in a vivid and imaginative way, characterized by the use of language chosen for its sound and suggestive power and by the use of literary techniques such as meter, metaphor, and rhyme.


Experiences conveyed? I can't find any. Ideas conveyed? I read that, and I get the idea that life is short and so you should spend it with people. I beg you, tell me the ideas that you get from this poem, so I can see its incredible value as clearly as you can.* And I don't consider it very vivid to write "Interests: Dance, Film, Graphic and Web Design, Languages, Travelling, Books, Art...and of course enjoy having some intimate and personal time with someone special!"

The part about sound and suggestive power and all of the rest is hard to define, so I would like to hear what you consider powerful and metaphorical about the rest of the poem.


So, if a poem doesn't fall into any of those categories, and still it is well conceived by a person, that doesn't count as poetry? You could argue that he's just reading short-stories or novels or some other non-sense. But if it was meant as poetry, then I must argue that it is poetry. I don't think that Colerdige would accept any of the Dadaism writings as poetry, but still people learn about Dadaism in english class, history class, or what have you.

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I do have hopes, goals, and dreams which I may tell you about as I get to know you. But on daily basis, I try to savour all the small moments that make up my larger lifetime.  


Any regular Joe or Mike might read that and see a bundle of words loosely held together by magic. But an irregular Jim or Stephane will read that and discover lots of things. See how he leaves out "a" in "a daily basis" ? Reference to Genesis, where it is said that man spoke without prepositions. And the generating of positive 'tension' in the unconventional phrase "make up my larger lifetime".. Well, that's just innovatived write.  



I've never heard anything about people in Genesis not using prepositions, and I tried to look when you brought it up. Please do find that for me, because, in all actuality, if that were true, I would be very interested in that, but as I'm not able to find anything on that idea, I don't believe it. And I like the bit about how you talk about poetry and writing style, and then you write innovatived write. That is the single best example of ironing I've ever seen.

Adieu


*Here I'm saying that A is the case, where A is that this poem has incredible value, but actually I mean that A isn't the case.


Well, I won't touch on the Genesis thing anymore. What I actually meant was my own hometown, where finns speak without using prepositions. Sorry for the mixup.

For an example of this, please watch this interview with the archetype of finnish demoscene heroes, all hail the mighty Abyzz of Future Crew:

http://www.tunin.net/~boolean/abyzz


Good day.
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« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2003, 04:13 PM »

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Hey Stubborn Alexander!!!

I know Jim, and Josh, and Tim, Frank, and Rod, and Louisa, and Sally, and Fran, and Ken, and Stein, and Mack, and Peter, and John, and Tom, and Henry, and Gale. Oh, and my entire family, and my co-workers, and my friends.



BOOYAH!!!
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I know Frank too! It's not very likely that it's the same person, but let's compare. I know this guy, who's quite big, he's got red hair. A little inbred. I can't say I know him very well though, but I'm sure that his name is Frank.

I've talked to a guy called Peter once, too. But there are millions of people called Peter, I think we'd just embarge on a wild goose charge.

I know my family too. Very well, I might add. They're very pleasant.

Hey this is great!

So let's discuss this. How would you feel if, lets say, a member of your family were to become sick? I'm not threatening or anything, remember we live in different parts of the earth. Personally, I hate it when that happens. I can get depressed, obnoxious, even fatigued sometimes. But, on the brighter side of things, that's not about to happen in the near future. :-)
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« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2003, 04:31 PM »

When I cry, my soul bleeds.


Holy shit, I just wrote a poem!  Why is it a poem?  Because I wrote it with the intent in mind that I was writing poetry.  That's right, kids; anything you want to be a poem can be one, so long as you think it is.  I conceived this sample of writing, and therefore it is a poem.  Still waiting for the best part about it?  This paragraph describing my poem is also a poem!  WOW![/rant]
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« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2003, 04:33 PM »

kafka didn't feel that his works should be published. "not finished", he said. "Not good enough".

And he was right.
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« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2003, 04:40 PM »

i worte a poem



Devoid of Love


the night falls as if slain by the sun, cold and alone are we.
the god for which you sacrifice yourself
flares once, then dies,
swept away by a velvet ebon nothingness.
all hope must sicken and die.

your passion throbs no more.
how could you tear us asunder?
our dark emotions surround us, crying,
save us from ourselves.

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« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2003, 04:41 PM »

FetidDingo,

Well that's using the argument to the extreme. But fine, be that way.


It's your way or the highway, eh?


How many roads must a man walk down.. Time to bring the flaminco into the modern world. So to speak.
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« Reply #69 on: December 05, 2003, 04:47 PM »

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When I cry, my soul bleeds.


Holy shit, I just wrote a poem!  Why is it a poem?  Because I wrote it with the intent in mind that I was writing poetry.  That's right, kids; anything you want to be a poem can be one, so long as you think it is.  I conceived this sample of writing, and therefore it is a poem.  Still waiting for the best part about it?  This paragraph describing my poem is also a poem!  WOW![/rant]


WOW, I think your poem contains a clever reference to the Book of Revelations, where it is said that "man's soul bleedeth"! Only refined people get it!



And when I said "Book of Revelations", I of course actually meant something completely unrelated, like my home town!
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« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2003, 04:53 PM »

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When I cry, my soul bleeds.


Holy shit, I just wrote a poem!  Why is it a poem?  Because I wrote it with the intent in mind that I was writing poetry.  That's right, kids; anything you want to be a poem can be one, so long as you think it is.  I conceived this sample of writing, and therefore it is a poem.  Still waiting for the best part about it?  This paragraph describing my poem is also a poem!  WOW![/rant]


WOW, I think your poem contains a clever reference to the Book of Revelations, where it is said that "man's soul bleedeth"! Only refined people get it!



And when I said "Book of Revelations", I of course actually meant something completely unrelated, like my home town!


Fantastic poem kyy!  High Five!
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« Reply #71 on: December 05, 2003, 05:09 PM »

That's totally untrue, kyy and you know it. Our hometown is so christened it's christen. And christians' souls don't bleed right?


By the way, this is quite unrelated and for that I apologize. But Kyy, who are you and do you live in the same hometown I'm talking about? *wink wink*
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« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2003, 05:15 PM »

you do realize that posting a poem on allpoetry.com and getting comments like "You're PeOm TotLy RoXoRZ" does not make you a poet.
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« Reply #73 on: December 05, 2003, 05:16 PM »

Just as well as I have begun to realise that getting told that one sucks on PWOT actually means you've got possible date ahead of you.
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« Reply #74 on: December 05, 2003, 05:22 PM »

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Just as well as I have begun to realise that getting told that one sucks on PWOT actually means you've got possible date ahead of you.


your dog doesn't count as a date
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« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2003, 05:31 PM »

I was looking for a picture of a dog humping someone's leg to post in response to shrek's quote....  but instead I found this:

This dog is my hero.
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« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2003, 12:11 AM »

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« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2004, 09:24 AM »

i now really really wanna kick your ass

(with love AND passion)


( i kiss you back, fagot)
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