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« on: November 13, 2007, 02:05 PM »

I was watching the remake of The Omen recently and I noticed a trend: scary randomness.

There are lots of classic seens in horror movies that seem to be put in because they contain memorable disturbing images, yet have very little to do with plot.  There's the guy getting a blowjob from his bear-suited friend in The Shining, the guy from Poltergeist pulling off his own skin, countless dream sequences where some scary animal/person/thing appears in a place you could not see previously but in which you thought there was nothing, a hand coming out of Sarah Michelle Gellar's head in The Grudge, etc.

So when does randomness work and when is it cheap/stupid?  What is it about random scary scenes is so tempting for directors to include?  Got any more scary/funny examples?
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 02:39 PM »

The first thing that come to mind is that scene from Mulholland Drive. Anyone who's seen it knows what I'm talking about; thats probably the longest my heart has taken between beats. The fact that it came out of nowhere, and in a non-horror movie, gives it top spot in the random league. But hey, that's David Lynch.

As for pure horror, that part in Dawn of the Dead (original) where the biker gets his blood pressure checked is up there. A completely reasonable thing to do in a zombie outbreak.

Most of the time (increasingly in contemporary horror) it's just there for shock or terror value, mostly because those directors can't rustle up some genuine scares beyond amputation scenes. You don't really see comic randomness anymore, unless you find cats jumping out of confined spaces funny. It'd be nice to see more "Shark Attack 3" moments in self-aware B horror films these days.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 03:35 PM »

I know exactly what scene in Mulholland Drive that you are talking about. And yes, that takes the cake. I've had that "thing" burned into my psyche forever since I've seen the film years ago. It is without a doubt one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in a movie. I remember rewatching the film with a friend some time ago and really not looking forward to seeing that again. My heart was pumping like crazy. And it really catches you off guard because the film is nothing near a horror movie. At least if you go into a movie knowing its horror your brain prepares for a shock....but that was quite a powerful sucker punch.

I recommend that movie to anyone just for that part. See if you can stare into the  screen without flinching.





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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 03:46 PM »

In the Mulholland driver, are you guys talking about  SPOILERthe part where the man is talking about the face he saw, outside the cafe, or the part where the girls find the body in the hotel?

Uneccessary horror? Possibly that moment in the Exorcism of Emily Rose when the guys' eyes black out and drip down. I mean, I know she was seeing things, but that was just random as hell.

Also, any screeching cat in a movie, ever.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2007, 03:50 PM »

The former.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2007, 05:41 PM »

Jesus, that part of Mullholland Drive freaked me the fuck out. I saw it about 5 or 6 years ago, and I still occasionally have nightmares about it. The sad thing is that it didn't really add anything to the plot or advance the movie, it was just freaky as hell. Goddamn David Lynch and has exceedingly esoteric style.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 06:03 PM »

I just wanted to clarify that AFAIK the man in suit/bear scene in The Shining is actually rooted into history of the Overlook Hotel. There's a whole background on it in King's book I believe, and it has to do with lots of hot, steamy gay sex. But yeah, without this context it seems pretty random.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2007, 12:11 PM »

Wow.  I watched Mulholland Drive and I do not remember that at all.  I remember most of the plot, but the only things that made an impression on me were lesbians, "I don't understand this plot", and the tiny old couple.

I don't know what that says about me.
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2007, 02:24 PM »

For whoever doesn't know what scene in Mulholland Drive they're talking about, it's this one.
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2007, 03:02 PM »

Ha ha ha. It's not "a man and his friend", fellas.

This is set in LA, remember.
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2007, 03:07 PM »

Mulholland Drive was originally filmed as a pilot for a new David Lynch TV show.

I imagine that, if it had gone to series, all that randomness would have been explained, eventually.

Or would it have?
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2007, 06:08 PM »

Every other Lynch film that was filmed as a film would suggest, maybe not so much.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2007, 07:54 PM »

Lynch's work is impressionistic. As Freud might say, "Sometimes a crazy trash monster and pile of lesbians are just a crazy trash monster and pile of lesbians." Don't read too much into it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2007, 08:12 PM »

Not to be argumentative, but I'd say that most people's fascination with Lynch's work involves reading things into it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2007, 08:37 PM »

Well, between you and me, the last thing I'm doing when I see a pile of lesbians is reading, no matter the circumstances.
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2007, 10:15 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2007, 05:09 AM »

Mulholland Drive was originally filmed as a pilot for a new David Lynch TV show.

I imagine that, if it had gone to series, all that randomness would have been explained, eventually.

Or would it have?

Obviously,  the fun of watching a Lynch movie is to try to figure out things for yourself and/or enjoy the sex scenes. Even more so since Lynch doesn't do commentary tracks that explain what the fuck is going on. But for Mulholland Drive he gave out ten clues that should help viewers to get a grip on the metaphors and stuff in the movie:

David Lynch's clues:

1) Pay particular attention to the beginning of the film: at least two clues are revealed before the credits.

2) Notice appearances of the red lampshade.

3) Can you hear the title of the film that Adam Kesher is auditioning actresses for? Is it mentioned again?

4) An accident is a terrible event... Notice the location of the accident.

5) Who gives a key, and why?

6) Notice the robe, the ashtray, the coffee cup.

7) What is felt, realised and gathered at the club Silencio?

8) Did talent alone help Camilla?

9) Note the occurrences surrounding the man behind 'Winkies'

10) Where is Aunt Ruth?


I like to think Lynch was fed up with journalists pestering him about the meaning of the film and he just pulled some "clues" out of his ass. Which, by the way, is something that I can imagine characters in his movies end up doing in a very literal way.
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2007, 05:15 AM »

I've always been a big fan of the Monster Nazis from that dream sequence in "An American Werewolf In London." Mostly because it seems so specific that you assume there's a subtext, but the rest of the film never hints at it again, so with each viewing it just becomes more random. I guess John Landis just thinks the Werewolf SS is a cool concept (although, considering the neo-nazis in "The Blues Brothers" and his segment from "Twilight Zone: The Movie", maybe there is a subtext known only to John Landis).
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2007, 07:20 AM »

If only UTMK were still around, maybe he could tell us.
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2007, 05:55 PM »

I love you, oball, but if The Name is spoken three times and he shows up, I'll rip your ribcage apart and shit in the cavity while you watch.

I'm just sayin'.
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