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« on: April 06, 2006, 04:16 PM »

It begins tonight at 10 on Spike and I have no idea if PWOT has any MMA fans. I know Smutt is one, but he doesn't post often and when he does I usually ignore it because chances are it's not a very quality post.

This season the coaches are Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock. Their personalities clash, and they've had a feud in their history. I've heard rumours that they get into a scuffle in the very first episode. At the end of the season they're going to have a fight on PPV which Tito should easily win, but who knows.

I'm very excited for this show and I became a huge MMA fan after the second season. I hope I'm not the only one because I love discussing this stuff with people. Tune in tonight!

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2006, 05:08 PM »

I haven't watched any previous seasons but I want to try to catch this one.  My sister's boyfriend does MMA and is likely going to have a title fight in Atlantic City sometime in August (for some lesser division than UFC), so I'd like to have a little more knowledge on the different holds and such before going to see it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2006, 06:27 PM »

They are still showing the first series here in NZ but I'm already a huge fan.  Shephen Bonner who came a close second in the light heavy weights range in the first Ultimate Fighter series and Chris Leben, the "bad boy" from the first series are both fighting tonight in the UFC Ultimate Fight Night 4.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2006, 11:37 PM »

I didn't like tonight's Ultimate Fight Night. Every fight went to a decision, and Jardine was robbed. Granted I was distracted by my friend as I watched the fights, but everytime I was looking at the Bonnar fight I thought Jardine was winning.

As for The Ultimate Fighter 3, I went into the show liking Shamrock more than I did Ortiz. I used to watch Shamrock when I was a pro-wrestling fan, and I also own his book. However, I found that I liked the way Ortiz ran his training sessions. I really enjoyed how Ortiz decided to call his team "Team Punishment" instead of Team Ortiz. Shamrock also turned down calling his team Team Shamrock, but he wasn't creative enough to come up with another team name. It seemed like Ortiz had planned it in advance while Shamrock's decision to not name the team after himself came in the spur of the moment. Who knows, maybe he also had heard that Ortiz wasn't naming the team after himself.

The Canadian guy looked good but I think that was mainly because his opponent didn't have any ground game what so ever. His opponent also looked psychological unprepared as he went into the fight, and that may have contributed to his loss. I guess we'll see in the semi-final if the guy is truely good or not.


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Do you know the guy's name by any chance?
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2006, 01:03 AM »

I watched tonight but the elimination fight was a bit dissappointing.  Was the guy who lost the Golden Gloves boxer? I was writing an essay through all the training so I'm not sure I had that attached to the right guy, but considering all that guy had was stand-up skills I figured it was him.

As for the sis' boyfriend his name's Dan Miller.  He and his brother Jimmy both took it up recently, they're fighting in Reality Fighting, which is inconvenient because when you say that and that its MMA people think I'm saying he's on this show.  I don't know too much about Reality other than it's MMA and in an octagon, it seems to be regional here in the northeast.  I guess its of a decent popularity since they fight in AC and charge a decent price ($100-$50 for tickets), and I know if he and his brother win their fights on the 29th the people are really looking forward to promoting brothers going for belts at the same event.  And he's won his first two fight in like 3 minutes total which is apparently good.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2006, 01:09 AM »

I don't remember if I heard if the guy was golden gloves, but he was definitely a striker. Tito was saying aslong as the fight didn't goto the ground he'd win. Of course the fight did go there and the Canadian dominated.



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Dan Miller shows up on Sherdog.com's fight finder which is pretty cool. I'm guessing he does Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu since both of his wins were quick and by submission.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2006, 01:17 AM »

Yeah, I know they train at Planet Jiu-Jitsu,  His brother's on there too, I think one class down.

Have Ortiz and Shamrock fought more than once?  Because from the clips they showed of their first fight it doesn't look like they would be an entertaining PPV fight since it looked like Ortiz just rocked him.  Also, I've seen about three fights now, and can officially say going to the stomach is a bad decision.  A very bad decision actually, for anybody who isn't fond of being repeatedly punched in the head.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2006, 07:37 AM »

I watched tonight but the elimination fight was a bit dissappointing.  Was the guy who lost the Golden Gloves boxer? I was writing an essay through all the training so I'm not sure I had that attached to the right guy, but considering all that guy had was stand-up skills I figured it was him.

Yeah, he was the Golden Gloves.  The guy was pretty much screwed from the beginning.  I don't know much about MMA, but you can't go in planning on staying upright through the entire match against a grappler.  Even Chuck Liddell (possibly the greatest striker ever in the UFC) is a decent grappler with a very good bag of hold breaks.  I bet if the loser had a few more months with Ortiz, he could have been pretty good. 

The Canadian dude took a nap right before the fight.  That's icicles in your veins.
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2006, 12:35 AM »

Have Ortiz and Shamrock fought more than once?  Because from the clips they showed of their first fight it doesn't look like they would be an entertaining PPV fight since it looked like Ortiz just rocked him.

They've only fought once. In Ken's book "Beyond the Lion's Den" he explains how he had knee problems at the time and that really limited what he could do in the fight. I'm still thinking that Ortiz will destroy him at the end of the show. Ken is a wash-up now, and Tito is already beginning to make his way back into the UFC.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2006, 01:41 AM »

So far, in LH I like Deafy McDeaferson and Tait Fletcher, Joe Rogan's personal bodyguard. I dunno, you can't really go off anything from the first episode, but I like those guys.

In Mid I like Kalib Starnes (Obviously) and the crazy looking Black guy with the messed up teeth. Also, Ed Herman. I don't usually like Ground & Pound guys like Starnes, but you gotta root for your countrymen.

I didn't like tonight's Ultimate Fight Night. Every fight went to a decision, and Jardine was robbed. Granted I was distracted by my friend as I watched the fights, but everytime I was looking at the Bonnar fight I thought Jardine was winning.
I think you might've missed the entire first and second rounds. Bonnar clearly had him beat in both, but not with anything flashy. You were probably watching mostly the third, where Jardine really took it to him. The Evans - Hogar fight was a snoozer, which was just takedown, hand-wrestle, repeat for fifteen. The Stevenson - Other Guy fight was pretty good. It's a shame though how Stevenson got beaten up by a random hype-up, and only started to take control with about a minute left in the fight.

As for The Ultimate Fighter 3, I went into the show liking Shamrock more than I did Ortiz. I used to watch Shamrock when I was a pro-wrestling fan, and I also own his book. However, I found that I liked the way Ortiz ran his training sessions. I really enjoyed how Ortiz decided to call his team "Team Punishment" instead of Team Ortiz. Shamrock also turned down calling his team Team Shamrock, but he wasn't creative enough to come up with another team name. It seemed like Ortiz had planned it in advance while Shamrock's decision to not name the team after himself came in the spur of the moment. Who knows, maybe he also had heard that Ortiz wasn't naming the team after himself.
Heh, "1, 2, 3, TEAM!". I didn't like how Shamrock brought in a nutritionist instead of someone who could actually help the fighters in, get this, fighting!

The Canadian guy looked good but I think that was mainly because his opponent didn't have any ground game what so ever. His opponent also looked psychological unprepared as he went into the fight, and that may have contributed to his loss. I guess we'll see in the semi-final if the guy is truely good or not.
Oh man, that was sad how Starnes rolled him right out, almost effortlessly, then got his back and rode him like a horse. It was weird because almost right off the start Stine pulled him into guard, like he was asking to lose.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2006, 05:02 PM »

Posters at Sherdog.com, one of the bigger mma forums, have been arguing almost 50/50 for and against about Shamrock using a nutritionalist.  Thoise for it have been arguing that because TUF is in its third series they are only taking serious fighters who already have decent reputations, those who aren't already pretty competent fighters aren't likely to learn much that will be of use to them in the 2 months they will spend on the show.  However any fighter will get conditioning benefits from a good nutritionalist.

Some say Shamrock is crazy for not taking a BJJ specialist trainer, others argue he has always been a great submission fighter, and coach, and having personally faced the Gracies he knows a thing or two about BJJ.
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2006, 06:42 PM »

What's your screen name on Sherdog? I post as Steve Dougson. I used to post in their Heavyweight forum, but I've gotten tired of the amount of shitty topics created on a daily basis. Now I mainly post out of OT.


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The Stevenson - Other Guy fight was pretty good. It's a shame though how Stevenson got beaten up by a random hype-up, and only started to take control with about a minute left in the fight.

Did you see Josh Neer's fight against Melvin from TUF2? Melvin busted Neer open with one of the biggest cuts I've ever seen. I could not believe they didn't call the fight right there. Fortunately for Neer he was still able to fight and ended up winning with a triangle choke. I also don't know how he didn't tap to the kneebar. Stevenson must not have had it locked properly or maybe Josh Neer just doesn't feel pain.


Thoise for it have been arguing that because TUF is in its third series they are only taking serious fighters who already have decent reputations, those who aren't already pretty competent fighters aren't likely to learn much that will be of use to them in the 2 months they will spend on the show.  However any fighter will get conditioning benefits from a good nutritionalist.

Maybe true, but I think that Mike Stines could have benefitted from more time with Dean Large. These guys are prospects and so they're bound to have holes in their game and I think that getting the advanced advice from some of MMA's best trainers could help.

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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2006, 10:26 PM »

I'm really liking Tito as a coach more and more as I watch this show. So far Bisping has been his only critic and I'm getting the feeling that he's an asshole. I mean the guy's complaining that he's being unfairly treated because Tito is putting a lot of attention on the guy that is deaf.

Speaking of assholes, Tait Fletcher is making himself known as one too. I'm not liking his attitude at all. Kalib was also being an asshole when Ken was yelling at him for slacking. I found that weak too.

As for the fight, I'm really glad Noah won. Jesse was being a moron in the house and stabbing Noah's basketball was a huge dick move. The armbar Noah put on Jesse was pretty sick. Didn't look like he was squeezing his knees, but other than that it was pretty nice. Especially for the fact that Jesse tried fighting out of it. I thought his arm was going to snap, but he seemed okay at the end of the fight so I guess he didn't take any real damage.

I'm looking forward to next week. From the preview it looks like my opinion of Tito will rise again while I'm left wondering why Ken is resting his guys after a loss. Also, the preview showed Ed Herman hitting the bottle which makes me question the character of Team Quest. On one hand they have classy guys like Couture and Quarry. On the other hand they have assholes like Ed Herman and Chris Leben.

My God there's a lot of assholes in the house this season.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2006, 12:45 AM »

That was a pretty nasty armbar Noah put on him.  Glad to see it happen, because Jesse came off as nothing but an immature meathead.  Stabbing the ball was majorly dick, but even earlier shit like breaking the vase on the pool table for no reason was annyoning.  I liked that fight a lot.  I'm not a big fan of seeing people just getting punched in the eye repeatedly so a nice grapple matchup was fun to see, and the reversal was just really well done.
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2006, 10:05 PM »

Wow, Kendall just worked Ross.  Even in the early brawling it looked to me like he was dominating, those bunch-elbow combos were brutal, and then once they were tied up it was an inevitability.  I like Kendall, seems like less of a dick than a lot of the others, though I can't believe that teammates can be happy with the whole Team Dagger.
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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2006, 10:16 PM »

Tonight Ross came off as the biggest asshole with Ed being a close second. Other than that I found that for the most part tonight the guys were well behaved.

And yes, Kendall dominated that fight. He made Ross look like he had never fought before. It was almost embarassing for him.

Tito looked even better tonight when he admitted that he's going to pick on Ed every week by staring at him when he's about to make his decision. I loved that. It was also funny to see Tito and Ken cross paths and how awkward it was.
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2006, 05:41 PM »

I know this isn't UF3 but I wasn't sure if it was really worth its own thread.  Did anyone else catch UFC 60 last night?  My sister's boyfriend ordered it so I got to see my first live event and it was damn entertaining.

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The Hughes-Gracie fight was fantastic.  It was insane to see Gracie not tap from that armbar, but to not even react is inhuman.  The undercards and then subsequent re-airings of the preliminary fights were generally pretty enjoyable in my opinion, though the black guy (I don't know his name but apparently he was from an earlier UF) came off as a huge dick.  He had a nice KO punch though.  My personal highlight of the night though had to be the flying knee KO.  Sweet.


Also, they announced that UFC 61 will feature Ortiz vs. Shamrock, which at least is pertinant to UF3.
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2006, 03:42 PM »

Deafguy is supposed to fight this week, according to the previews.  Woooooooo!!

I also enjoyed UFC 60(?), though it was kind of sad to see Gracie dominated in such a way, and his post-fight locker room tears. 

I'm looking forward to the Sylvia/Arlovski re-rematch in UFC 61 more than the Ortiz/Shamrock dick measuring contest. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2006, 05:06 PM »

I didn't watch any of the fights after the Gracie fight, but it sounds like they played some more fights afterward. Do they do that if all the previous fights were really quick? Sounds like I missed some good stuff.

It was sad to see Gracie lose, but I and everyone else predicted that it was going to happen. If anything I'm surprised it lasted 4 minutes.

Tonight's fight should be interesting. I want to see the deaf guy throw a late punch cause he can't hear the horn.
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2006, 07:59 PM »

Yeah, I actually went to leave the room before being told they would probably be airing earlier fights.  Apparently they usually fill up around 3 hours of time.

As for UF3, I can't wait to see the wonderboy finally fight.  I like him (the only problems seem to be going too hard as opposed to just being a dickhead like some of the others) but at the same time I'd love to see Tito's reaction if he loses in the first round.  I wish it wasn't starting before the end of game 7 though.
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