I watched and it was so, so awful. I thought towards the end it would get a bit optimistic for the guy with the glasses who climbed over the wall at the start but then that didn't really pan out. And the way they talk about women was so incredibly sad and unpleasant, that was the worst part by miles. It was like they had created an imaginary enemy and then deliberately set themselves up to be defeated by that enemy, it was horrible misogyny but it came from a position of imagined weakness rather than real power.

It was cool watching the douchebag PUA-in-training guy become less and less energetic before eventually collapsing into devastating self-awareness at 3am in the hotel room, I liked that. There was a part where that guy said something interesting though, that personal appearance and personality weren't mutually exclusive and if you change one you change the other. It's not exactly a revelation but he managed to articulate it really succinctly, though he decided to interpret that genuinely good idea in the most cynical and super-terrible way.

"The only reason I'm [involuntarily celibate] is because of my looks.

This talking head comes almost immediately after he says the n-word twice in casual conversation.

So this isn't a rhetorical question: why does this seem to be a male only thing?

I'm not saying it's a problem with the documentary - there really does seem to be an all male subculture of these types of people. But logically that doesn't really make sense to be, because there are obviously 25 year old women who are awkward as shit and can't find a guy to be with them. Why is there a male subculture but not a female one?

This documentary has one of the more interesting character dynamics I've seen in a while.  The guy with the glasses who started the site has, I think, the most normal view on relationships and women.  He seems to understand that he is capable of finding a relationship, but also recognizes his biggest social weakness.

The other two (PUA and Advanced) are different shades of the same color to me.  They both objectify women in their own way.  The PUA is essentially trying to trick a girl into bed.  It's like a video game with little objectives that ultimately lead to a final boss to conquer.  There's a feeling of superiority with the PUA that is extremely off-putting.

Advanced, on the other hand, is taking a really clinical approach to attractiveness.  He talks about facial symmetry, and being ugly, and all these physical traits.  He sees women as being these completely superficial beings.  When he lays out what you have to have to get a girlfriend, he only mentions looks.  He doesn't seem to understand that women might have, you know, emotions or a sense of humor, or a brain.  (Ladies do have those things, right?)  It's equally as objectifying as the PUA, the difference is that he has a constant feeling of inferiority.

This documentary is fascinating to me.  And the art for the PUA's proposed "Dud to Stud" boot camp idea is beyond insane.

It's because they think they're entitled to a woman.

Am I the only one who saw the PUA and instantly thought he was doing a really shitty impression of Nic Cage?

It took me a good 10 minutes to realise he wasn't taking this piss. I'm sad now.

This reminded me of this horrifying blog I came across the other day, which is one of those things where you think it HAS to be a joke, but then you realize that even if it is, whoever wrote it would have to be crazy anyway: it's a dude who thinks the government should create programs to solve this "involuntary celibacy" problem.

He has dozens of posts detailing how this could be done and talking about other "incel" issues, but then there's this delightful post called "My parents – criminals who deserve to be put in jail or killed" (bear in mind that this dude is also active on Reddit and Tumblr, so if this is a fake personality it's insanely elaborate):

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I will describe their horrible crimes.

1. For almost 10 years they’re refusing to help me find a girlfriend, thus causing unimaginable pain and damage to me. There are numerous ways in which they could help me, like introducing me to daughters of their co-workers or asking my relatives for help but they did not do so because they’re murderous idiots who live in the 70s/80s and think it’s easy to find a girlfriend if you want one.

They’re simply murdering their child (using the following mechanism :1 . I am left without a gf/sex 2. Which makes me unable to fulfill my basic needs 3. Which makes me depressed and hopeless 4. Which destroys my will to live 5. Which makes me suicidal

2. They’re refusing to co-sign my appeals to government and various institutions for over 5 years because they fail to see it’s the only way, thus weaking their impact.

3. My mother, the murderous whore, is refusing to have sex with me when that could alleviate my sexual frustration.

OK, I'll just stop there.

Is this a forum that bans people who are civil but have opposing views? Just so I know if there's any point in making a reply to this.

From the comments on that video:

Would you rather help them and show them that women aren't all bad? Instead of hating on them, show them kindness and their attitudes will change. Force answers force. Hatred answers hatred.

Emphasis mine. I don't think that guy gets it.

Edit: holy shit you guys Alexius found us.

Actually, I remember a thread where people were making fun of some furry webcomic, the artist saw it and came and talked to the rest of the people in a civil, rational manner. A lot of people hated his comic but since he didn't get all pissy or spaz at the moderators or forum members, everyone was calm and collected and no one got banned.

So we accept furries, at the very least.

Alright then. I asked this simply because it seems to me that most members of this forum are from TAC and TAC members are extremely trigger-happy when it comes to censorship. I got banned from certain sub reddits after a single short post.  I admit that I haven't read any FAQs this forum has but they don't mean a lot because what is important is how people actually lead the forum. Ok, my reply is coming up....