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[Epileptic Pirate]

To clarify, I don't mean to say that people would not want to raise their metabolism when trying to cut fat, but rather make two separate statements.  1) Protein does not raise your metabolism (or at least not any more calories in general do), and 2) If you are trying to lose weight, eat lots of protein anyways.

[j mcfarl3]

To clarify, I don't mean to say that people would not want to raise their metabolism when trying to cut fat, but rather make two separate statements.  1) Protein does not raise your metabolism (or at least not any more calories in general do), and 2) If you are trying to lose weight, eat lots of protein anyways.

!) i've always heard that eating something in the morning (people call it breakfast) gets your metabolism working sooner. conversely, it also means your metabolism has more to work on.  so you can just forget i even said that. @) when you wake up feeling sore the day after a lift, that's when your body is healing- so protein is definitely required. good luck wyrd, sounds like you're on the right track

[jaykay]

1.  If you're insinuating I just randomly made up a quote from Wiki, then you're a poor psychic for guessing what wiki page I was even looking at, or you didn't look far enough on this page.

2. The more repetitions your body does, the more muscle memory is takes on, causing more cuts and grooves from being used so often. You can go big and gain mass that is seen, but if  you do higher reps  you'll burn more calories and fat while putting on lean muscle and causing some of that muscle memory.  I take a weight lifting class, I suppose the book I get my information from could be wrong...

3.  "Like other biological macromolecules such as polysaccharides and nucleic acids, proteins are essential parts of organisms and participate in every process within cells. Many proteins are enzymes that catalyze biochemical reactions and are vital to metabolism."  Wiki Protein.

But there's no point in comparing information, we obviously agree Wyrd is heading the right direction.

[j mcfarl3]

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3.  "Like other biological macromolecules such as polysaccharides and nucleic acids, proteins are essential parts of organisms and participate in every process within cells. Many proteins are enzymes that catalyze biochemical reactions and are vital to metabolism."  Wiki Protein.

i'm no science major, but doesn't that imply that if you ate only carbs, like in the atkins, your metabolism would stop? at the very least, you would become fatter as it slowed down in proportion to your decreased protein. i believe the proteins mentioned in the wiki article aren't the limiting factors in one's metabolism. just like how eating food is required to build muscle, but simply eating buckets of food won't build muscle. i could've explained that more simply, but you're all smart

[boonmeister]

Atkins is no carbs (or at least extremely low carbs).

[jaykay]

i'm no science major, but doesn't that imply that if you ate only carbs, like in the atkins, your metabolism would stop? at the very least, you would become fatter as it slowed down in proportion to your decreased protein. i believe the proteins mentioned in the wiki article aren't the limiting factors in one's metabolism. just like how eating food is required to build muscle, but simply eating buckets of food won't build muscle. i could've explained that more simply, but you're all smart

You're on to something, but the Adkins diet is no carbs, not all carbs.  And also, the Adkins diet is believed to be unhealthy anyway.  But you're right, slowing down your metabolism would give you basically no energy, and you'd probably gain weight since everything you eat would turn to fat. So you're half right.

[j mcfarl3]

Atkins is no carbs (or at least extremely low carbs).

i retract my example of atkins, and submit a new example of vegetarians (re: cows). i stand behind my limiting factors point

[sephira]

You're on to something, but the Adkins diet is no carbs, not all carbs.  And also, the Adkins diet is believed to be unhealthy anyway.  But you're right, slowing down your metabolism would give you basically no energy, and you'd probably gain weight since everything you eat would turn to fat. So you're half right.

The atkins diet isn't no carbs: you'd die without carbs. In the longterm, the Atkins diet involves eating as many carbs as you can without putting on weight. You start off very low carb to cut your body's addiction to sugar, and then gradually raise the amount of carbs you eat over two-week intervals. When you start gaining weight (or when your weight loss stops, depending on what you're trying to do) you remain at that carb intake level.

I don't think it's generally agreed to be unhealthy - low carb diets are pretty much the mainstream these days, at least here in Australia.

Anyway, from a weight loss perspective, not a weightlifting one, I'd recommend 'real' protein (eggs, meat, etc) over protein shakes anytime. We're adapted to eat natural food, not protein powder, and there's a good chance drinking a shake won't leave you sated and you'll be gorging sugar two hours later.

[Glenn]

Protein shakes are not a meal replacement, they are a supplement. It is virtually impossible to get the equivalent amount of protein in your diet without eating tons of extra calories.

[sephira]

Sorry, I thought he said he was using them as a replacement. I've just looked back and realized that I am probably just drunk.

[The Evil Sloth]

Cider is the best supplement out.

[Epileptic Pirate]

1.  If you're insinuating I just randomly made up a quote from Wiki, then you're a poor psychic for guessing what wiki page I was even looking at, or you didn't look far enough on this page.

2. The more repetitions your body does, the more muscle memory is takes on, causing more cuts and grooves from being used so often. You can go big and gain mass that is seen, but if  you do higher reps  you'll burn more calories and fat while putting on lean muscle and causing some of that muscle memory.  I take a weight lifting class, I suppose the book I get my information from could be wrong...

3.  "Like other biological macromolecules such as polysaccharides and nucleic acids, proteins are essential parts of organisms and participate in every process within cells. Many proteins are enzymes that catalyze biochemical reactions and are vital to metabolism."  Wiki Protein.

But there's no point in comparing information, we obviously agree Wyrd is heading the right direction.

I wasn't questioning the accuracy of the quite but rather the relevance.  No one is talking about overtraining and all of a sudden you thrown in a quote about how old Soviet athletes used brief periods of overtraining.  I don't really see where you're going with that.

It's questionable whether lower reps or higher reps will be responsible for more caloric consumption (and thus fat loss).  Obviously in the actual act, doing more repititions will lead to more energy use, but these days people point to excess post-oxygen consumption (EPOC) as well as the energy required to build muscle being responsible for the calorie use.  EPOC is the process where the body returns to its pre-exercise state.  I don't believe that any study has been done comparing EPOC in low rep versus high rep regiments, although I know that caloric consumption from EPOC has been shown to be higher the more intense the workout is.  The interesting implication is that more intense forms of cardio such as interval training (run, walk, run, walk etc...) may burn more calories in the long run than steady state cardio (jogging).  There hasn't really been a conclusive study on the matter though.

And a word on metabolism and protein:
It is necessary to eat protein and fat to survive, but it is not necessary to eat carbs.  I'm not sure of the specifics of the Atkins diet but permanently low/no carb diets do exist and they are called ketogenic diets.  Some weightlifters use these, and also people with epilepsy because they stop seizures for some reason we don't really know.  When you enter a state of ketosis, your body produces ketones from fat and uses those for the majority of its fuel as opposed to glucose.  Glucose is required by the brain and some muscle tissue, but it can be made in the liver in a process called gluconeogenisis.  Sometimes people advocate ketogenic diets because they have been shown to cause more weight loss than regular diets.  The thought is that they may have some metabolic advantage, meaning the body needs more energy to work with them so you lose weight at the same amount of calories.  I really think that the weight loss is probably just from the water weight that you lose when you stop consuming carbs (b/c you no longer have glycogen in your liver and muscles), and because the studies have been self reporting and it's harder to eat too many calories when all you're eating is meat. 

Protein is good and necessary but eating protein will not speed up your metabolism. It is good to always have some protein in the system however, because the body will build muscle with the protein and because if you don't have it and you run out of glycogen in the liver the body will break down muscle as well as fat to get energy. Body builders sometimes consume tremendous amounts of protein (like 500, 600g) in the hopes that it will help build muscle but that's probably not necessary.  Eating 1-1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight is probably a good amount.  This is probably still more than most of us eat. 

[Anatomica]

Dude, he reads wikipedia. He's obviously done a lot of research.

[jaykay]

I'm using wikipedia because I don't have scans of every page in my book handy.

[thewayoutisthrough]

Someone was never a boyscout.

[Silianti]

I jerk off a lot, can I get in shape that way?

[joker]

I jerk off a lot, can I get in shape that way?

Yes, just remember to alternate your hands each day for a balanced workout.

[Silianti]

But...it feels like cheating.

[Kicsi Viz]

It all depends on what you're going for.  For mass, you need to jerk a big load using few reps.  For tone, a smaller load using many reps.

[Anatomica]

But I reach the oh-my-god-my-testicles-are-tearing-away-from-my-boner point after about 10 reps; 5 reps before my penis actually gets too flaccid to go on. And then my hand aches for about 4 days, particularly when I'm trying to open jars and when I'm slowly eating a hot dog.

Any ideas what I might be doing wrong? Do I just have a really low tolerance for pain? Is it normal for someone who never really put his cock under much stress before?