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[Sa9jev]

When he started that shit I was hoping he'd get his ass beat. Then he did. Sweet.

Also, hooray for St. Pierre. What a class act.

The Quarry fight was an abomination, but the end had enough hilarity to make up for it. That is to say, my buddy paid for the fight so I wasn't disappointed or anything, but still. I thought it was funny that the other guy (can't remember his name) had the nerve to talk shit after the fight, calling Quarry a faggot and a pussy. He's got some nerve, that guy. Too bad it's not like fighting nerve or something.

[SteelFan714]

Technically, he was shouting that shit at one of Nate's corners.

That being said, while there weren't cameras on them at the time, I can only hope that after Starnes asked the guy "Why don't you get in here and fight, faggot?" the guy looked back at him and asked the same thing.

[Staff]

When he started that shit I was hoping he'd get his ass beat. Then he did. Sweet.

Only a true asshole could step in the cage and be seen as the bigger asshole than Mike Bisping.

[Ray Garraty #47]

I seldom post in this thread, but after watching some old WEC matches and episodes of the Ultimate Fighter I wanted to ask the forum something. My opinion is that if you get cut badly enough,  the MMA ref should pause the fight and get a cut man to try and stop the bleeding, as in boxing.  I'm not talking about a minor cut, I'm talking about a two-inch scalp cut or a  burst cauliflower ear. I wonder why an MMA athlete at the highest level, who has been destroying his opponent through hard-earned skill, must endure a half pint of someone else's blood pouring into his own mouth or eyes.

An argument could be made that that much blood pouring all over a fighter's head and ears actually helps the injured participant, because it makes successful grasps and submissions more difficult for the uncut fighter, and it also can obscure the uncut fighter's vision.

As fans of the sport, what are your opinions? Am I off base here?

[Hurtch]

First:

Starne's Performance Was Statistically The Worst Performance Of All Time. Well not quite, but Rami Genauer over at Yahoo! brought forth some interesting information about the fight. Starne's performance was so bad that it actually broke his FightMetric system for statistically analyzing the performance of fighters in a fight. Quarry outperformed Starnes by such a margin that the system could not calculate a score based on the 10-Point Must System because there was no historical precedent for such domination of a round. The fight was so bizarre that the system did not have rules in place to calculate a score.

Some other Random Post-UFC 83 thoughts (a tad late):
-St. Pierre looked excellent in disposing of Serra. I'm excited to see the Fitch fight, but I think St. Pierre handles him.

-Mac Danzig is a tough, professional fighter, who will give all but the division's elite a competitive fight

-I really liked Kenny Florian as an announcer. I thought he did an excellent job offering insight into the techniques being used, which lots of MMA announcers still struggle with. Joe Rogan is generally very good at this as well, but it was nice to get a current fighter's perspective.

And:

An argument could be made that that much blood pouring all over a fighter's head and ears actually helps the injured participant, because it makes successful grasps and submissions more difficult for the uncut fighter, and it also can obscure the uncut fighter's vision.

This can definitely be a disadvantage to a fighter who has damaged his opponent. The blood gets in peoples eyes and throat and can cause a great deal of discomfort. Kenny Florian recently commented in a Sherdog.com article about his fight with Sean Sherk:

"You cannot train for that," Florian says. "I can remember the taste and the smell of the blood. Iron. Liquid metal is exactly what it tasted like. It was in my mouth, my ears, my eyes, my nose. It took three showers to get all the blood off. It was like a red oil."

After the fight, which Sherk won decisively via unanimous decision, Florian handed his urine sample over to a confused athletic commissioner.

"What is this?" the official asked.

The sample was colored with blood. "It was like brown sewage," Florian says. "It was disgusting."

That having been said, I believe it's part of the sport. It looks awful, but you know what? A cut and a lot of blood is pretty minor compared to other injuries than can occur both in MMA and other sports. So to answer your question, I don't think a fight should ever be stopped because a fighter's blood is causing the other discomfort. It's another variable that makes MMA the best sport in the world.

[Staff]

I've heard of people pissing blood before, but never pissing the blood of someone else.

[Sa9jev]

I was actually really, really glad Joe Rogan did not do commentary on the last show. He annoys me to no end.

[Staff]

Charles McCarthy retires.

Good riddance, I say. So that means UFC 83 has successfully ended the UFC careers of both McCarthy and Starnes.

[vanillaguerilla]

Question do you think that a Kimbo slice Brock Lesnar fight would be entertaing, or would it be a 27 second waste of money on PPV?

[SteelFan714]

While both are still MMA newcomers, based on Kimbo's brief time against cans, and Brock's brief time against the former champ, I can't see Brock having too much trouble if they were to be paired up in the near future.  His wrestling is great, and he's so explosive.  I think that, while not one of the most well-rounded fighters, Brock could handle a lot of very good heavies that don't have the ground skills to tap him already, just because his takedowns are so strong.

Kind of a moot point for now though, as seeing as he's the face of their organization, I don't think EliteXC will be letting Kimbo get away, as I'd imagine they would be willing to throw substantially more money at him than the UFC.

[vanillaguerilla]

Well what about Bobby Lashley as a new comer to mma? with his physic, wrestling background (he was a two times armed force wrestling champion, before the wwe) does he have a promising future? or at thirty is he approaching past his prime to actually make much of an impact?

[Hurtch]

A wrestling pedigree does not guarantee success in MMA. I just googled Bobby Lashley to see who you were referring to, and now I recognize him from seeing him in the WWE. To put it bluntly, there's no reason to think he'll have any sort of major impact on MMA. For one, his wrestling credentials aren't all that impressive. There have been guys with vastly superior collegiate wrestling backgrounds who haven't had any major success in MMA. Rex Holman? Sylvester Terkay? These guys were both NCAA champions who haven't exactly set the MMA world on fire.

While wrestling is certainly an excellent base for MMA, the sports are completely different. People need to get past the belief that because Athlete X excels in Combat Sport Y that he can dominate MMA.

[Staff]

Question do you think that a Kimbo slice Brock Lesnar fight would be entertaing, or would it be a 27 second waste of money on PPV?

I think it would be cool to see. I imagine Lesnar would take it via GnP in the first round.

[Staff]

GSP Moves Up P4P List, But Not to Top

Sherdog's P4P Rankings:
1. Anderson Silva (21-4)
2. Quinton Jackson (Pictures) (28-6)
3. Georges St. Pierre (Pictures) (16-2)
4. Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures) (27-1, 1 NC)
5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (Pictures) (31-4-1, 1 NC)
6. Urijah Faber (Pictures) (20-1)
7. Takanori Gomi (Pictures) (28-3, 1 NC)
8. Norifumi Yamamoto (Pictures) (17-1, 1 NC)
9. B.J. Penn (Pictures) (12-4-1)
10. Miguel Torres (Pictures) (32-1)


I'm largely at the mercy of what the UFC shows me so I really do not know anything about Miguel Torres, Yamamoto, Faber, and Gomi('sides his loss to Diaz -> See avatar).

That being said my main beef is how GSP is behind Rampage. Maybe I really need to rewatch the Hendo fight. Even if Rampage wins fairly decisively it's hard to say he's been doing better than the guy that keeps running through everyone thats put in front of him.

[Staff]

Kalib posts his side of the story

Cliff notes: Broke foot in 2nd round which ruined his strategy of "circling and moving to stay out of exchanges".

[Sa9jev]

I think it's rediculous that he be made into some kind of hero for mocking a guy that he just beat the crap out of, and I felt forced into retreating because he had such a good offense.

Well why don't you cry about it, retreat-o? I love how much he talked about that, then two paragraphs later he talks about how wise it was for him to dance about and run the whole time because he'd get paid less if he took his medicine and actually fought the guy. What a douche.

[Staff]

I still don't understand the whole money thing. At first I read it as him getting cash from fight of the night as a joke and then some sort of bonus for being let go. Then I understood it as all the amounts are what he was paid in different fights.

I don't see how he got paid more by going to a boring decision.

[straylightrise]

Well I completely agree with the p4p rating. Until anyone (anyone, anyone???) beats Silva he will continue to be the scariest man in the world. Same with Rampage -the man hasn't lost in forever and is a truck! His last loss was in 2005 and his last 2 fights against Liddell and Henderson were very good fights. However, I think Rampage stands a greater chance of losing before Silva does. Honestly the only way I think Silva could be beaten is if we see someone from another weight class come up or down. Right now Silva is probably one of the most dominant fighters in the world.

Then of course 3rd is GSP. He will continue to own lives until god knows when.

I really should start reading sherdog more....

[Gemineye870530]

where are all of the PFC fans? first of all quinton is in no way unstoppable. that's what people thought of vanderlai silva. I love quinton jackson and think he is great for the sport but that guy has been on the edge of getting knocked out far too many times to be considerd unstoppable. now fedor, not sure how much you guys have actually seen of him but this guy is a menace. he has ONE loss on his whole record. this loss was from a cut and the fight had to be stopped. i've seen him stunned once in every fight i've seen of him (i've seen every pride fight he's been in). the problem with him now (which isn't really a problem) is that he no longer trys to mutilate his opponents face, now he's just in there for the win, by whatever means. so he doesn't fill the highlight reels anymore. i'm not one sided so i believe in fighting, not just pride. so i'll give you an honest impression of the diaz/gomi fight from a pride fans prospective. gomi is another ridiculous fighter. i think his problem with diaz was the fact that diaz had good boxing skills and knew how to use his reach. this is a huge problem for someone like gomi. the match was a no-contest because diaz tested positive for weed. i think this is complete bullshit, i smoke ALOT of weed and let me tell you that if anything this would weaken your fighting skills. so diaz won fair and square (but for staff, if you really like the fight game then check out some gomi fights, you'll like them.) i'm not trying to argue my points here i'm just trying to make you who haven't watched pride fighting understand, that being said, anderson silva wasn't hot shit in pride, just wait i know that someone will take him out as long as they don't give him creampuffs. he is an amazing fighter don't get me wrong, but i just can't believe the hype. like i said he was mediocre in pride. mauricio "shogun" rua was the biggest upset EVER i can't believe that TUF joke of a fighter took him out. watch shogun highlights before you tell me i'm wrong. if he was in tip top shape he would have taken out rampage (just so you know, he already did). just look at the background of some of these pride guys and you'll understand why some people are so nutso about it. i'm just here to open peoples eyes because ufc makes it look like these guys came off of the streets. they are great fighters and if they get beaten fair and square i'm not afraid to admit it. if anyone has pride questions just ask me because i was following it religiously for the last four years it was on.

[straylightrise]

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