Bounce…

From what I understand in the rural areas the one child policy is relaxed, it is in the cities, where the so called educated people are, that this is a major problem. The information I sorted came from a World Health Organization report it does not matter who reported those facts.

Honestly, can you not see that the population is a problem?

I don’t think i stated that there was no, or little, wrongdoing on the part of the Chinese - i recognise the issues inherent in the country and the problems within.

However, ill repeat what i mentioned earlier - that statement above, and one which you repeated, that Chinese view Human life differently from the ‘West’, is inherently racist (yes, racist) and ignorant to the extreme.

I’m not going to break down your above post to quote from - you were making a perfectly good and interesting argument before that horrendous statement (twice) that just reaffirms my view of many Westerners.

And another thing;

[I]“If the above reporter is not viable enough, this is the wikipedia site on the one-child policy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
But then again, maybe the evangelicals have gotten to that site too, corrupting it with their perverse value of human life — even people. Just google ‘one-child policy’.” [/I]

I dont need to be patronised either.

If the above reporter is not viable enough, this is the wikipedia site on the one-child policy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
But then again, maybe the evangelicals have gotten to that site too, corrupting it with their perverse value of human life — even people. Just google ‘one-child policy’.

What’s confusing me is who Mr. as you were is. He said he taught in China for many years: that would make him a foreigner. But I teach English in China right now, and I recognize all of his arguments as those spoon-fed to Chinese students in defense of the situation in China (overpopulation and the ‘developing country’ status necessitates extreme government power, the ‘developing country’ status is a result of foreign actions even though they took place a hundred years ago, etc) — I’ve heard them all many times, so that makes me think he’s mainland Chinese. But, his English is perfect and he even uses so-called ‘weasle words’:

“The Chinese as a whole agree with it - and CONTRARY TO POPULAR WESTERN OPINION [my capitalization], a second child is allowed if you have the money to pay the fine.”

That’s a well-known tactic of throwing in a small unsubstantiated critique or insult. Depending on the vague meaning of the words, it could be true (I mean technically, Cher is ‘popular’). But it’s not part of his main point; so for his opponent to take issue with it changes the subject of the debate and makes him look petty, since the statement is really just a side-note. Therefore, it is usually unchallenged and gives the appearance of a small victory, even though it doesn’t convince anyone of anything (which is especially meaningful for Chinese, since the appearance is the important part). So in this case, he gets to say that most westerners are wrong about the nature of the one-child policy without rebuttal.

So in the end, I don’t know who he is. But if he debates like a Chinese, then I know that this ‘debate’ will only end (like most internet debates) with both sides reaffirmed in their beliefs: mine, that Chinese are unwilling to allow their country to be criticised (and that this unwillingness will continue to be a drag on their society); and the Chinese belief, that Westerners are disrespectful and hypocritical because they criticise China.

Can you please tell me the alternative? Theres far too many people in the country already, and if abortion is the only option then abortion is the only option, until the entire country is educated to sufficient standard.

@glendoor; ive looked up that journalist you quoted; a man labeled as an “Evangelical Christian American journalist” does not qualify as a viable quote. He has his own twisted Christian agenda as do all evangelists. Please don’t bring that into the conversation about China as they will always be on opposing sides.

I don’t even know where to begin to counteract that horrendous statement. How on Earth can one have a genuine discussion with reasoning such as that?”

” in September 1997, the World Health Organization’s Regional Committee for the Western Pacific issued a report claiming that “more than 50 million women were estimated to be ‘missing’ in China because of the institutionalized killing and neglect of girls due to Beijing’s population control program that limits parents to one child.” (See Joseph Farah, “Cover-up of China’s gender-cide”, Western Journalism Center/FreeRepublic, September 29, 1997.) Farah referred to the gendercide as “the biggest single holocaust in human history.”

@ Wha?? In two and half years of living there, that is not the sentiment , as a whole, I got at all. A long running joke in why the US is still there is not to keep the North from coming South , but to keep the South from going North. I knew a lot of Koreans who felt exactly that way, including the Korean family I lived with for 9 months.

Hate to be the bearer of bad (and obvious) news, but the Koreans HATE the fact the U.S. still has a huge presence in Seoul. And while the merchants who sell you cheap kimonos and fake pearls for your girlfriends back home may like your dollars, they find you all crass, obnoxious and way past your welcome. When we told wary Koreans we met that we weren’t American, they immediately became more open.

It’s too bad, but they paint you all with the same brush…