So after a great deal of debate and name calling and posturing, it appears that the Senate is finally going to pass their version of the economic stimulus bill, which means a great deal of money is going to start pouring into socialist bullshit like children’s hospitals in the near future. As the only Cracked writer who knows what it feels like rubbing two twenty-dollar bills together, I’ve been designated as the resident financial expert of the site. Consequently, I thought I’d walk you through some of the intricacies of this stimulus brou-ha-ha, and also see how many times I can unnecessarily cram penis jokes into economic discourse.
Penis Joke #1: Cram? Stimulus? Package? You know what I’m talking about, right ladies? You don’t? Gents?
The first thing I should probably do is point out a common misunderstanding that people who don’t read economics blogs all day have: The stimulus is completely different from the bailout. The bank bailouts were meant to pour money into banks that lost everything they had in some sort of madcap Three Stooges style mishap. A bailout of the banks has happened already - in fact, it went so swimmingly well that there’ll probably be another one in the not too distant future. Contrast this with an economic stimulus package, which is the government effectively getting out their checkbook and buying shit for everybody (Xboxes if we’re lucky). Critically, the stimulus package hasn’t happened yet, as you can probably tell by your lack of Xboxes.
Another way to tell the difference between the two is that everyone hates the bailout, because it involves giving money to those Wall Street banker types - a job description that is now customarily said with the same intonation as multiple rapist. As I pointed out a few months ago, there are good reasons for supporting a bailout, notably to prevent banks from failing, and thus throwing us into an economic stone age, where we’ll all have dinosaur-related employment and push cars around with our fucking feet. But the bailout remains wildly unpopular because it effectively rewards a bunch of assholes who already make too much money, whine about making too much money and managed to drive the entirety of capitalism off a cliff. Any bailout that doesn’t involve bankers being pelted with vegetables is going to be a really tough sell.
Penis Joke #2: Q: How do you hurt a banker? A: Shoot him in the penis.
The stimulus package, on the other hand, should be quite popular, in that it will probably end up creating a few million jobs, and create a whole bunch of useful infrastructures like bridges and prostitution districts. The obvious downside to the stimulus package is its size (800 billion dollars or so) and the fact that there’s no actual way of paying for it, other than sending a big I.O.U. to the future, with a note saying “Thanks dude. I’m totally good for it.” Of course when the alternative is 25 percent unemployment and bowling with rocks, a bit of debt doesn’t look so bad.
But despite its potential for popularity, the stimulus package has had a rough ride as of late, it being subject to a lot of debate in the Senate and all the assorted shrill name-calling that goes on with that. Most of the debate has fallen along the usual party lines, with the Republicans lobbying for more tax cuts in the package, and the Democrats pushing for publicly funded gay marijuana abortion centers, presumably.
One thing you’ve probably read is how much of the stimulus package will focus on ’shovel ready’ projects, those being projects that can get started more or less immediately. The main reason these are given such priority is so the stimulus has an immediate effect. Building a bridge without at least a rough sketch of some sort is apparently considered dangerous by those cry-baby civil engineering types, and if it takes three years to get all your plans and permits in order, your bridge construction will be stimulating the economy three years from now, when things have already hopefully recovered. The downside to shovel ready projects is simple: If a project is just sitting around with plans but no funding, chances are it isn’t that useful. If your town’s got plans in place to build a Museum of Sexual Deviancy, then your mayor is probably right now trying to get some stimulus money. A fact which chafes some people - prudes, I guess.
Penis Joke #3 While searching for pictures for this article, I found this horse with an awesome name. He’s available to stud too, which explains why he has a nicer website than mine.
Beyond that, I don’t have the economics background to really dive into the nitty-gritty of the stimulus bill - although neither do any of the politicians voting on it. But as I understand it, the stimulus will do the most good if it’s spent (duh), so putting the money where it’s going to get spent in a hurry feels like the sanest move. And the fastest places it’s going to get spent is by state governments (those guys are so fucking broke) or by building infrastructure projects. I’d put much less priority on other options, like tax cuts, education grants or expanded medical insurance. Although those programs would have the effect of putting money directly or indirectly into the hands of individuals, those individuals would likely put most of it into savings accounts or pay off credit cards. In short, instead of spending your stimulus money on disposable consumer products, you’d tuck it away for a rainy day like some kind of pussy.
Seeing as we can’t trust people like you to not do something sensible with your money, infrastructure projects look like the way to go. As an aid to the treasury secretary (I heard he’s a fan) here then are my suggestions for infrastructure projects which can be implemented quickly and will have a lasting positive/comedic effect:
Add an extra security lane at the airport.
A separate mass transit system just for homeless people to sleep on.
Backyard pools for everyone.
Leave piles of dirt around town for people to jump cars off of.
Ballpits for adults. Dig up any useless old park and fill the hole with balls.
Public bidets.
A lane on each highway that can only be used by people who really need it.
An Energon Production facility or two, so we can finally lure some Transformers to Earth.
A big net to suspend over the Energon Production facility.
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May 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
mmmm balls are so tasty. i like em cheesy!!!
April 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
don’t TRY to lure the transformers!
if you do that, our vacuum cleaners will join forces with them in their attempt to take over the world, and THEN what will we do?
March 4th, 2009 at 7:43 am
I am appalled at the suggestion of “publicly funded gay marijuana abortion centers” surely some kind of kit would be better. A first aid box containing a Knitting needle, bottle of Antisceptic, a big bag of weed, a pipe and some cloth to clean up any mess and Viola you too could be aborting fetuses in the comfort of your own home!
Nice article.
February 24th, 2009 at 9:50 am
I think we should tax the poor more. What’s the worse that could happen? They get poor-er, which is still fricken poor in my book.
February 18th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Niggers!
February 15th, 2009 at 5:00 am
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February 13th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I’m now thinking of running for public office on some sort of “publicly funded gay marijuana abortion centers” platform. I come to Cracked for the inspiration to live a better life. Thanks, Bucholz!
February 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Shouldn’t the topic of this conversation be about how I know so much more about economics than any one you and that i am so much better than you people?
You are all a bunch of childish dicks who cannot fathom my superiority. Now wonder you resort to faking my name in posts!
February 12th, 2009 at 10:08 am
“thats gotta be sarcasm, right?”
Yes; that’s a childish dick who replaces the “L” in my name with a capital “i” so it looks like mine, because he’s the sort of jerk who runs into a room where people are having a conversation screaming “Hey! No one’s talking to meeee! Look at me!” then craps on the rug just for attention. He can’t stand it that people are actually having an adult conversation and, instead of going elsewhere, had to try and fuck it up for everyone. What a pathetic asshole.
February 12th, 2009 at 1:04 am
mmmm….cock. yummy delish!
February 12th, 2009 at 1:04 am
I love the cock.
February 12th, 2009 at 1:03 am
I like the cock.
February 11th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
My friend has that halloween costume!
February 11th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
“I am only trying to teach you what to think and who to vote for.”
thats gotta be sarcasm, right?
February 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
CAVALIERX IS A *TROLL.
He’s been asked, numerous times and by many people, to take his pompous rants elsewhere to more appropriate venues. Apparently, his awesome intellect(while able to accurately dissect and analyze lefty politics/economic strategies in a way that a lesser being’s feeble mind can not) can’t TAKE A FUCKING HINT.
*please don’t feed the trolls.
No I am not! I am the only voice of reason here! YOU are too stupid to understand how you are destroying America! I am only trying to teach you what to think and who to vote for.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Mr. Bucholz
Thank you for an entertaining article. Who knew dick jokes could be so informative?
My only critique would be to change ballpits for adults to bossaball courts.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
CAVALIERX IS A *TROLL.
He’s been asked, numerous times and by many people, to take his pompous rants elsewhere to more appropriate venues. Apparently, his awesome intellect(while able to accurately dissect and analyze lefty politics/economic strategies in a way that a lesser being’s feeble mind can not) can’t TAKE A FUCKING HINT.
*please don’t feed the trolls.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Is that pimp Arnim Zola in a purple suit?
February 11th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
All I’m saying is that the American economy should revert back to how it was in the early 1930’s. The free market was in full swing back then and everything was better. The people promoting the stimulus bill just want to set America back to how it was in the 1950’s, when the government had control over the economy and everything sucked.
February 11th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
I LOVE PENIS.
February 11th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
…This only proves my point….
You have inferior debate skills and you rely on childish tactics like faking my name in your posts. As I said before, everyone who knows anything about the economy must agree with me. My arguments are superior. You clearly just want to believe what the government tells you instead of doing any actual research.
February 11th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Please stop being a dick and faking someone else’s name to post. It’s unbelievably childish, and only proves that you have nothing to say on your own.
February 11th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Yeah, you heard me, Barrack Obama isn’t just some pussy liberal marxists, he’s a NAZI!! Like Hitler!
Nazism is also known as national socialism! You ever see people going to fourth of July parades? Waving around American flags? thats Nationalism! Ever go to a public school? Teachers, paid by the government, teaching kids to read and write and shit? well, thats socialism! We already have national socialism! All we need now is a fuhrer like Obama to start sending all the 9-11 truthers and Ron Paul spammers to the camps! Is that the America you want??!! A nation where 9-11 truthers and Ron Paul spammers are silenced, incarcerated, and forced to work in slave labor camps until they die of starvation??
February 11th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
“Barrack Obama is CLEARLY plotting to make America a communist state!”
Communist? Not exactly. An economy in which corporations are privately owned but controlled by the state is Fascism. That is, if you want to be precise about it.
February 11th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Why the hell do you people think that the government should care about the welfare of it’s citizens and help to ensure gainful employment for all it’s people? The governments jobs is to steal from the taxpayers and spend money on it’s self! All you liberal pussies want is to earn money and feed you families and shit like that, don’t any of you care about the FREE MARKET? Making money is a privilege, not a right.
February 11th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
The only government program I will EVER accept, is one that provides live goats to the American people for the purposes of sexual stimulation. Anything else is COMMUNISM! You people who are out of work DESERVE IT!!
February 11th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
“f a free market consist of huge public work projects (see when Hoover Dam was built or just look up “New Deal”) and the creation of huge govenment agencies watching every thing we do”
I think you misunderstand me. Let me be more clear. We have not had a free market economy since the New Deal. Huge taxpayer-funded projects designed to create work for people are the opposite of a free market.
February 11th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
You people are all a bunch of brainwashed retards! How can any of you people disagree with me? how do you live with yourselves knowing that you will never achieve the level of intellectualness that I have? Barrack Obama is CLEARLY plotting to make America a communist state! It’s so obvious but clearly none of YOU retards can tell! They are even building concentration camps to house political dissenters, and they are planning to introduce system of mandatory lave labor for all citizens! The free market does not exist anymore! Any government control is TOO much government control! If you are worried about losing your job due to outsourcing then thats only because you are a lazy pussy!!!! ALL POWER TO THE CORPORATIONS!!
February 11th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
How is it that this article has no pictures of stimulating packages?
I expected better, especially after the lovely tights on the pirate in the first pic of that pirates article. Good stuff. Guess the author is not really gay male/incognito straight female as I had previously assumed.
February 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
@ CavX
” We haven’t had anything close to a free market since the 1930’s here in America.”
I don’t know if you’re joking or not. You seem so educated outside of your knowledge of the 30’s economic situation. If a free market consist of huge public work projects (see when Hoover Dam was built or just look up “New Deal”) and the creation of huge govenment agencies watching every thing we do; then yes a “free market” is what we need to solve the economic crisis we are currently in.
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That’s me throwing up.
February 11th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I can think of a few ways to get chafed by the idea of a Sexual Deviancy Museum.
Hysterical and informative (in the best way- the don’t-tell-me-too-much-because-I’ll-stop-caring, peppered-with-dick-jokes way).
February 11th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
CavalierX fucks goats.
February 11th, 2009 at 10:57 am
“We do stimulus and bailout deals now, and in 50 years we’re going to have a nation run by the government, not the people.”
More like 5, but otherwise I’;m in agreement with you.
February 11th, 2009 at 10:54 am
“Here we have a guy who claims to be a big fan of capitalism, but he claims that, during some of this nations most prosperous years, we had a system that was no where near a free market.”
You’re setting up a false dichotomy by claiming that there are only two possibilities: a totally free market or a totally controlled market. I never said the market has been totally controlled since the thirties. It’s been creeping up on us, and the federal government is about to become the largest single factor in the economy.
“Well, not many people are aware of this, but there are all these OTHER countries in the world where, just like in America they have their own little foreign economies with their own little foreign currencies with their own little histories and recessions and stuff like that.”
Really? And their little economies are completely separated from our own? Back in the real world, our economy drives the world economy. When it crashes, so will all the little foreign economies oif which you so glowingly speak.
“In fact some of them, are actually better off than America! Like denmark for example, has one of the highest standard of living in the world today! hell, even the French are doing better than us!”
I’m afraid you have a lot to learn about the stagnating state of the European economy, which is predicted to shrink by more than 2% this year while their combined unemployemnt rate hits double digits. Wait until we pull our military personnel out of Europe and watch how fast their economy implodes.
“I say, the free market already had it’s turn”
No, seriously, when and where was that?
February 11th, 2009 at 10:39 am
“Unless you enjoy debating with people who have no idea what they are talking about.”
People who know what they’re talking about agree with me, so it’s impossible to debate them.
February 11th, 2009 at 5:28 am
enough with all this political economical superbowl bullshit. if i wanted to be bored shitless i’d watch the news.
February 11th, 2009 at 4:17 am
“Then, the robots will become self aware, and enslave humanity.”
I’m voting Decepticon. Autobots are a bunch of liberal pussies.
Megatron/Starscream 2056
February 11th, 2009 at 4:13 am
Brilliant article.
February 11th, 2009 at 3:46 am
>>We do stimulus and bailout deals now, and in 50 years we’re going to have a nation run by the government, not the people.
50 years from now they will have robots that can do all the work that we do, but for far cheaper. Employers will start replacing their employees with robots, jobs will be lost. Eventually a small elite of people who can afford robots will have all the money, everyone else will be out of work. Maybe then people will start electing communists. The wealthy who own the robots will have to start paying huge taxes, that money will go to the billions of people who will be out of work, everyone will be happy! Then, the robots will become self aware, and enslave humanity.
February 11th, 2009 at 3:15 am
Mmmmmkay, no. If the government bails out businesses and gives people money everytime there’s financial trouble, then people will eventually become “addicted” to the benefits-just look at the fact that Wall Street and the banks are already asking for more bailouts. If someone’s dying, you can give him morphine, but he’s just going to ask for more until he passes away. Our economy cannot survive on government sustenance long-term without the government simply controlling everything…and come on, do you guys REALLY think that our government is intelligent, efficient and stable enough to run an economy in a global market? No. Why is Europe doing so well? Because they pay 40%+ taxes, that’s why. No business in Europe can survive without government aid due to subsidies, so the people are dependent on the government. That is always dangerous. I’m not saying our politicians are trying to gain power, but that is the inevitable outcome. We do stimulus and bailout deals now, and in 50 years we’re going to have a nation run by the government, not the people.
February 11th, 2009 at 2:41 am
Actually, I think this cavalierX person is being quite on subject since, if you where to read hos comments, you’ll notice that are actually, kinda sorta humorous, a crappy sort of humour but humour nonetheless.
A few quotes of his,
>>We haven’t had anything close to a free market since the 1930’s here in America.
Here we have a guy who claims to be a big fan of capitalism, but he claims that, during some of this nations most prosperous years, we had a system that was no where near a free market. In other words, he’s saying that all the stable and secure jobs that our grandparents had during the post war boom, where the result of the new deal and other “socialist” programs. Now, if thats the case, and America’s best years came after we ditched the free market, then why don’t we just finish it off for good already?
>>this bill will result in the Federal government taking more direct control over the economy than any free nation ought to ever allow.
Well, not many people are aware of this, but there are all these OTHER countries in the world where, just like in America they have their own little foreign economies with their own little foreign currencies with their own little histories and recessions and stuff like that. In fact some of them, are actually better off than America! Like denmark for example, has one of the highest standard of living in the world today! hell, even the French are doing better than us! It’s crazy, and you know what? A lot of these countries, actually have MORE tax burden than America! It’s crazy!
>>We will all be working for or dependent upon the government for our livelihood within a decade.
All I got to say is, I’m currently Dependant on the free market for my livelihood, in fact I’ve been Dependant on it for my whole life, and look where it’s brought us now! I say, the free market already had it’s turn, it failed, we should give the government a crack at this before we let it try again. Just being fair here.
>>For instance, do you think it’s a coincidence that most of the money will start being spent in three to four years — just when the Obamessiah is running his re-election campaign?
now, here is where we see that the whole time the dude was just being sarcastic. He refers to Obama as the messiah. Now, we ALL no that Barack Obama is in fact the antichrist come to earth to corrupt the souls of man. Thats why we voted for him, right?
February 11th, 2009 at 2:16 am
OMG PEOPEL THE STIMULUS BILL IS THE GREATEST THEFT IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA THEY ARE GOING TO STEAL MONEY FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND GIVE IT ALL TO THE BIG CORPORATIONS INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR!!! THEY ARE GOING TO BANKRUPT AMERICA AND START A DESPRESSION IN ORDER TO MORE EASILY CONTROL THE POPULATION, THEN THEY WILL BUILD CONCENTRATION CAMPS TO HOUSE ALL THE DISSENTERS IT’S ALL SO OBVIOUS AND YOU ARE ALL SHEEPLE WHO ARE BEIN BRAINWASHED BY THE MEDIA THAT IS CONTROL BY JEWS AND THEY DID 9-11!!!
YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR RON PAUL BUT YOU DID NT AND NOW AMERICA IS DOOMED
February 10th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
People like CavalierX and BuckleAU should go post their opinions on a real economic forum instead of a comedy site. Unless you enjoy debating with people who have no idea what they are talking about. I bet you feel really smart. You two should start your own brain trust and contribute your econimic genius and save America (fuck yeah) from the lazy poor people.
(End sarcasm.)
February 10th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
“I don’t care who you are or who’s money it is buying a $35000 toilet is fucking sick and indicative of one of the many things of what’s wrong with American corporate culture.”
And the shareholders of companies that waste money ought to vote out the leadership of those companies. Consumers who feel a company is charging too much for its goods and services because they’re wasting money ought to take their business elsewhere. Unless you’re one of those shareholders or consumers, it’s really none of your damned business what they do with their money.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
“Also there, CavX, it just amazes me that someone of you seeming intelligence cannot see that everything you scream about has been tried extensively for the last eight years and you can’t see that it just hasn’t worked and never has worked to the extent you propose.”
In which country? We haven’t had anything close to a free market since the 1930’s here in America. Bush gave us a few short-lived, shallow tax cuts, which resulted in a short-lived, shallow economic boom, but he spent way too much with the other hand. Congress went further, racking up debt with all that so-called “bipartisan” legislation which got Conservatives so angry that the Democrats took over both Houses in 2006. Since then, spending’s been nothing short of reckless. With every pork-stuffed bill Bush signed he and his party lost more support, so much that the Democrats completely took over Washington in 2008. Now the spending is careening out of control and the economy may not recover for years, if ever — and that’s only if we stop this mad spending spree before it’s too late. But this isn’t just about spending — this bill will result in the Federal government taking more direct control over the economy than any free nation ought to ever allow. We might never be able to regain control over our own economic freedom. We will all be working for or dependent upon the government for our livelihood within a decade. Please don’t be so naive about how badly we’re all being manipulated. For instance, do you think it’s a coincidence that most of the money will start being spent in three to four years — just when the Obamessiah is running his re-election campaign?
February 10th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
I miss Bill Clinton
February 10th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
What about an education/advertising campaign to stop people turning the collars of their polo shirts up?
Money well spent if you ask me.
Seriously. You need to stop that shit!
February 10th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Wow. This comment section was completely hijacked by politics. Deep breath in, people, and deep breath out.
February 10th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
rustytrombone, I love to rain on your socialist parade. Supply side economics do work. Go here:
Ireland’s Supply Side Boom
February 10th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Well written. You do a pretty good job of explaining this- honestly, I think this is a much better explanation than most news outlets have been giving.
February 10th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
That purple pimp outfit is nightmarishly phenomenal. I love it. I would post a glowing comment here even if you had written nothing at all, and just had that picture and nothing else.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Ballpits for adults is the greatest idea ever. I’ve thought about it for years. I need to get on a city council.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
I don’t care who you are or who’s money it is buying a $35000 toilet is fucking sick and indicative of one of the many things of what’s wrong with American corporate culture. Here are other “liberal” news outlets that reported on the said toilet.
blogs.wsj.com/deals/2009/01/23/deal-journal-explainer-the-35000-commode-outrage/
and http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/al-lewis-thains–commode-doesnt-flush/
I don’t even read the huffington post it was just the first article I found to back up the story.
Also there, CavX, it just amazes me that someone of you seeming intelligence cannot see that everything you scream about has been tried extensively for the last eight years and you can’t see that it just hasn’t worked and never has worked to the extent you propose.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
My gay marijuana abortion center was the first business hit by this recession. It is a proven fact that when time get tight, the first thing people cut out of their budget is aborting gay marijuana.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
The poor however are the ones that work retail and are therefore benefiting buy that side of the proposal.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Geez cav - why you gotta be such a downer all the time? It’s funny how you hear the same mantra whenever a Democrat holds office - we’re headed towards socialism, the sun is setting on the Great American Democracy, there’s going to be “gay marijuana abortion centers”! (that line killed me). But then that stuff never happens.
Maybe the Reganomics worshippers here will find this interesting:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/09/supply_side.html
February 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Well, without a comercial, industrial and social policy that follow this fiscal policy, the package could work for nothing or just to trow money out of the window.
On the other hand, USA is not a developing nation that needs a brand new productive aparatus, just make some modifications here and there to make it work smoothly on the medium-long run, and by now just elevate the agregate demand to increase the levels of production will be enough I guess.
But if in 10 years USA produces less and focus again on fast earnings with financial bullshit forgeting the productive sector then all this is going to be good for nothing.
And abou the “I.O.U. to the future” well, I don’t belive on the ricardian tax. We are not inmortals.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
BuckleAU, Bill O’Reilly does it too.
And who cares if you think he has a good point? Is this really the place to hear his views?
I didn’t come here for that, and I don’t think many other people did either. He’s here all the time doing the exact same thing.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
“The problem today has changed 180 degrees from the American Revolution. Today we have “representation without taxation”. I.e. those with no benefit to the country telling those that do how to run things.”
There’s an old quote often attributed to Scottish historian Alexander Tytler (though its author is actually unknown) which sums up the situation we face:
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
February 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Being a civil engineer I think I can say that bridges take to long to plan. But why not already build the water that will, in future, lie under these bridges. Building water can be implemented directly andis rather easy, you just have dig holes. Although the problem is that you’ll end up with lots of sand. But we can just dig a hole for that.
Mr. Obama, sir. This consultancy advice has just cost you only one Billion, my bill is on its way, spend the rest wisely.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Because Jeff, while that is an excellent two-sided idea, it doesn’t help the poor people who elected Obama in order for him to give them free stuff. That’s because the poor people at the bottom of the ladder aren’t in mortgages, they’re in subsidized housing and rentals. And tsk tsk, that just wouldn’t do at all.
The problem today has changed 180 degrees from the American Revolution. Today we have “representation without taxation”. I.e. those with no benefit to the country telling those that do how to run things.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Why doesn’t the government give the 45-50 million homeowners that still have a mortgage a $10,000.00 bank voucher that can only be put towards your payment, thus helping out the people and the banks at the sametime. Then give a $2,500.00 voucher that can only be used at american auto or retail establishments. Total cost approx. $1 trillion (slightly less than goverments plan). They just don’t like to say anything will cost a trillion, so they do mulitiple hundred billion bailouts.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Playing spelling cop is the weak dodge of those who can’t speak to the substance of an argument. Ooh, yes; I made a couple of typos. Whoop-de-doo.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Good ole Laffer curves, the cornerstone of market theory. Thank you for some common sense, there CavalierX. Yes, cutting taxes does change things for the better, because it allows business to reinvest capital into programs like R&D. Despite what Democratic alarmists think, businesses in competitive markets can’t afford to give all of the money afforded them by tax cuts to their CEO’s. It will quickly lead to them being undercut and pushed out of their respective industry.
Nothing like some good ole ad hominem arguments there, Panzer-Stier Ross, to throw everyone off the scent of a good point. You’d make a great co-anchor to Keith Olberman. He does the same thing! When he has no answer, he just attacks the presenter.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
“The way new jobs will be created is exactly the way the President explained it: expanding infrastructure requires people to actually do the expanding and the installing and shit. Hence, jobs are created.”
Let that serve as proof of my contention that Liberals want to turn the middle class from business people into ditch diggers, widenng (and making permanent) the gap between rulers and ruled. Obama and the Left want to destroy companies and make the former accountants, secretaries and other office workers go build bridges or pave roads for their government stipend, ensuring that they will continue to vote for whomever promises to continue emplying them in the future.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Oh great, the right-wing gasbag is back.
What to pick on first? His misguided attempts to push his political agenda? The fact he pops up to push a political agenda on a comedy website? Or his grammar?
Shoudl? Yoru? Also, your last sentence lacks proper grammar.
‘When you give the government the power to decide who is allowed to make how much money to end up with fascism’?
I’m sorry, that doesn’t make sense. Go stand in the corner idiot child.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
“Also, if we “cut taxes” any more like the republicans want, then how are we going to pay the unemployed workers their COBRA shit?”
First, cutting taxes will, as I said, result in business expansion and lower unemployment. Second, you might want to look up Arthur Laffer to learn a little about how lower taxes will increase government revenue.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I’m a champion of the word “broad”. Or “dame”.
BTW the Laffer Curve has been pretty thoroughly discredited.
http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2007/11/supply-side-economic-tax-rich
February 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
“And whose fault is it that we’re in debt? Bush”
ROFLMAO!! You must be a HuffPo drone, too. Please note that most of the same people railing against this $800 billion waste bill were railing against Bush’s $300 billion waste bill, too. You really shoudl learn that the government is not the answer to yoru prayers. It is not your mommy and daddy. It will not give you an allowance after feeding you, clothing you and driving you to the mall. It will not pick you up with you fall down go boom and kiss the hurt away. Government exists to ensure that laws are obeyed and enemies kept at bay. When you give the government the power to decide who is allowed to make how much money to end up with fascism.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Please. You can tell Bucholz doesn’t exactly read economic blogs all day by the nonsense he couches in this article with a couple of decent penis jokes. This Keynesian trickle up bull shit is so far off the mark it’s not even funny. However, even Keynes knew that in order for that to work even in theory, the money would have to actually GO TO THE BASE OF THE ECONOMY IN QUESTION. For example, when we give the $198 million dollars allocated to WW II veterans from the philippines (over 80% of whom are documented to be living outside of the U.S.), it doesn’t create jobs. Furthermore, one time projects like erecting the world’s largest organic chocolate penis statue in Hugtrees, Vermont does change the fundamental structure of the economy, it’s just a temporary job. So basically, we get something useless, and give money to U.S. citizens.
If you feel the need to spend so much money, spend it on something that can actually create a fundamental shift in the basic structure of our economy. Don’t waste it on a one time dog and pony show. Giving pure, filthy lucre to the taxpayers only temporarily stimulates the economy. Then it’s back to the status quo, plus a ton of debt.
February 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“Or spend the money on lavish corporate retreats or the CEO’s will spend the money on a 35000 dollar antique toilet http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-littman/john-thains-35000-toilet_b_162350.html?page=2 among other stupid arrogant money wasting “fuck the little man” bullshit things.”
So? News flash: IT AIN’T YOUR MONEY unless you’re an investor. At least, the money we’re discussing — increased revenues from lower taxes — is not your money. Figures the Huffington Post would be all up in arms about wasteful spending by the rich — someone please remind me who this Arianna Huffington broad is, again?
February 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
“1: Reduce corporate income taxes, letting businesses spend their money to expand and create jobs instead of forking it over to corrupt politicians to lavish on special interests.
This is, of course, taking on the assumption that businesses will use any form of increased cash flow to create jobs. More than likely a business will pay down its debt and invest (i.e. using their money to make more money) as opposed to creating jobs. ”
Or spend the money on lavish corporate retreats or the CEO’s will spend the money on a 35000 dollar antique toilet http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-littman/john-thains-35000-toilet_b_162350.html?page=2 among other stupid arrogant money wasting “fuck the little man” bullshit things.
February 10th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
@rustytrombone
I wasn’t just talking to you. I was noticing it throughout this whole thread. But that’s good.
February 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Also, if we “cut taxes” any more like the republicans want, then how are we going to pay the unemployed workers their COBRA shit? The only way that would happen is if one of those filthy rich republican moguls donated a million dollars to the gov’t to pay the unemployed. Oh, that’s right, you greedy republican shitheads don’t believe in charity.
The Democrats have the majority for a reason. America wants a stimulus bill. That’s by definition what a stimulus bill is.
February 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Rustytrombone, your name IS a dick joke.
February 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
@CavalierX
And whose fault is it that we’re in debt? Bush. And don’t give me that bullshit “It’s the Democratic Congress’ fault”. We’re in debt because we’re funding a pointless war that wastes a billion dollars every year. THAT is Bush’s fault. Our economy under Bush was already going down the shitter. Bush just flushed it.
The country will save billions by just pulling out of Iraq. Once jobs are created, they’ll be making money, and then we can pay off our trillion dollar debt to China. Trickle-up economics ftw!
tl;dr: You gotta spend money to make money.
February 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
The way new jobs will be created is exactly the way the President explained it: expanding infrastructure requires people to actually do the expanding and the installing and shit. Hence, jobs are created. I do agree that some of the things I’ve heard of in the stimulus bill sound a little wasteful, but all this shit about “There are moral risks!” is fucking retarded. There’s a big difference between “moral” and “ethical”. “Morals” are all about fundie religious bullshit. “Ethics” are making sure that there aren’t things like insider trading, bribing, and torture. Ethics promote equal rights as oppose to “morals” which take away rights because they think it makes baby Jesus cry.
February 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Anonymouse: You will note that I corrected my your and you’re fuckup in the next post. Just making sure you’re paying attention (see, I did it right that time).
February 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
How did I know CavalierX was going to come in crying “commie”?
Also, douchebags, learn the difference between “your” and “you’re”.
Correct usage:
“You pull things out of your asshole” (possesion)
“You’re a douchebag” (contraction of “you are”)
Come on, people! It’s 3rd grade grammar!
February 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
No, no one should decide how much money you can make. I’m just saying that supply-side economics stacks the deck unfairly towards those who are already affluent. Anyway, this is a comedy website. I’m making no more comments unless I can work in a dick joke.
February 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
“They are paper assets that do not create work for anyone but people who already have too much money. ”
But no one gets to decide that another person has “too much money.” And acquiring paper assets still entails hiring people to deal with the work involved.
February 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
And I’m an idiot - I meant “your”, not “you’re”. I hate it when people do that, and now I went and did it….
February 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Cav: I understand you’re point on the “things made” front. The problem is that capital does not necessarily entail “things made”. Securities, stocks and he like are not “things” that are “made”. They are paper assets that do not create work for anyone but people who already have too much money. Anyway, enough of this boring political discussion - I challenge you to a craption duel at 3:00 EST.
February 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
“By investing in capital as opposed to labor.”
You mean, companies will waste their money by investing in things made by OTHER companies? You’re right; that won’t do anyone any good.
February 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
“yes that is rather the point of a stimulus bill - spending money.”
Spending money just for the sake of spending money makes no sense at all. Taking money away from people and companies and incurring a monumental debt just to spend that money on makework projects that won’t even begin for years and will have to be paid for by raising taxes until our great-grandchildren bleed makes even less sense. This so-called stimulus bill would be called “the Expansion of Government and Perment Debt Creation Bill,” if there were any honest politicians.
February 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Dude, that doesn’t even make sense. how are they magically going to invest this without creating more jobs?
By investing in capital as opposed to labor. This may create work for a hedge fund manager or somesuch, but not an actual working schmo who is laid off.
February 10th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Article: “The obvious downside to the stimulus package is its size…”
and:
Article: “the stimulus package has had a rough ride as of late…”
Look how many good penis, or at least “that’s what she said,” jokes you passed right over……
February 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I like to think that President Obama was thinking of Energon Facilities when he was talking about alternative fuels - he seems like that kind of guy.
February 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Jesus H. Christ, this is The Huffington Post now?
February 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
“but the fact remains, where does THAT money go? whoever gets that money will spend it.”
yes that is rather the point of a stimulus bill - spending money. Thats essentially what that magical thing called the economy is - people exchanging shit they dont really need for money
February 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
This is, of course, taking on the assumption that businesses will use any form of increased cash flow to create jobs. More than likely a business will pay down its debt and invest (i.e. using their money to make more money) as opposed to creating jobs.
Dude, that doesn’t even make sense. how are they magically going to invest this without creating more jobs? do you think it would go something like this:
“Lets invest this money in a new store”
“ok, now we have a new store that nobody built, nobody decorated, and nobody will have to work in”
If you spend $1m, then somewhere, someone is going to recieve that million dollars. it doesnt matter if you “invest” it, or “spend it on a party”.
I’m certian the only answer you can possibly have is to say that investing it makes the money disappear is to say “well, they’ll obviously buy shares in someone else” but the fact remains, where does THAT money go? whoever gets that money will spend it.
If they pay off debt, then banks can lend to someone else.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Fuck yeah, Ballpits for adults! When I say it, everyone says I’m retarded, but maybe they’ll listen to Bucholz.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
“I’ve just got a small issue with step 1. Big corporations aren’t exactly famous for being on the up and up, or being any less corrupt than the politicians they bribe - sorry, LOBBY.”
No, but they’re pretty good at R&D, and creating jobs — and so are the smaller corporations whose business taxes would also be reduced. Frankly, it’s the company’s stockholders who should be upset at corporate waste, right? As long as the company is satisfying its stockholders, why is it Nancy Pelosi’s business whether it wastes money on executive retreats? If investors feel a company is wasting money or behaving irresponsibly, they’ll invest elsewhere. For instance, I refuse to invest in GE because they continue to do business with Iran, despite the fact that they’re probably going to make their shareholders a good deal of money. Of course, when companies accept bailout money, they (as NYC Mayor Bloomberg said) also have to accept the “strings,” government bureaucrats telling them how they’re allowed to spend that money. I hope everyone remembers that when nationalised healthcare comes along, and government bureaucrats dictate, as they did in Canada, that a 57 year old man is to “too old” to fully enjoy the benefits of hip replacement surgery.
http://tinyurl.com/dfngsl
February 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
1: Reduce corporate income taxes, letting businesses spend their money to expand and create jobs instead of forking it over to corrupt politicians to lavish on special interests.
This is, of course, taking on the assumption that businesses will use any form of increased cash flow to create jobs. More than likely a business will pay down its debt and invest (i.e. using their money to make more money) as opposed to creating jobs.
2. Reduce income and payroll taxes, letting people keep more of their hard-earned money instead of being forced to subsidise leeches and politicians (but I repeat myself).
This is true. This is also 1/3 of the stimulus package.
3. Reduce the capital gains tax, giving those workers with nice new jobs and newly-fattened paychecks an incentive to invest in the businesses of their choice — which will give those businesses even more money with which to create more jobs.
This ties in with point #1. It’s being a bit naiive to count on these businesses to do the right thing. Sure they may in fact create more jobs with increased capital - jobs in India or wherever. The fact of the matter is getting people back to work is going to increase consumer spending, which a big chunk of our economy depends on. Lowering unemployment also has the added benefit of creating more taxable income, which the feds can use to begin to pay down this enormous debt that’s been created.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
WTF, you pretty much called it, dude. Imagine how many jobs a whole new fucking tobacco industry would generate, not to mention the taxes from selling the product itself.
CavalierX, you’re definitely on the right track as well. I’ve just got a small issue with step 1. Big corporations aren’t exactly famous for being on the up and up, or being any less corrupt than the politicians they bribe - sorry, LOBBY. That said, buying a new corporate chopper sure will help the faltering helicopter industry.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I’ve heard that the stimulus money will only be able to be given to unionized companies (and from looking at the bailout text myself, this would seem to be the case). Does anyone know for sure? I’m not fluent in legalese.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Sorry, but a terrible article. I know it’s meant to be funny, but this is really, basically, the same support for a terrible bill everywhere else, but with ridicule instead of intelligent points. For example, there are no job-creating aspects to this stimulus package. A JOB is where you are paid by an employer for your time and labor, or if it’s your own business, paid directly by the consumers for your time and labor (not to mention intelligence, etc). What we have here are make WORK projects; just go do stuff that doesn’t need to be done (if it needed to be done, it would already BE done or in the process of being done), thereby “reducing” employment by having welfare recipients do work, although they will go right back to be unemployed in a few years because their absence as, so to speak, “available labor” will prevent anyone from UTILIZING that labor. How would the next big thing, whatever it is, get started when everyone is already employed? They’d have to pay far higher wages and that would dramatically hamper the business.
And, to the guy who said it; what? The Fed most certainly does use debt. It’s ALL IT USES. It is the basis of it’s existance. The Fed “monetizes” debt, which means they write you a check for money that doesn’t exist in exchange for your debt. They hold, I believe, a quarter or so of our federal debt. That’s over 2 trillion dollars. Not to mention that the Fed damn near acts as the central bank for the entire world. Yeah, they use debt; if anyone tried proving differently, it is, at best, a book keeping trick, an accounting slight-of-hand, and at worst and outright lie.
February 10th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
“The best way out of debt isn’t more debt. The best way out of a recession, on the other hand, is increased government expenditures to make up for lack of economic activity elsewhere, which often comes with temporary debt.”
As others have pointed out, the government does not have any money to spend. It can only take YOUR money, preventing you from spending it where you choose. Want to reverse the recession in three easy steps? Here the are:
1: Reduce corporate income taxes, letting businesses spend their money to expand and create jobs instead of forking it over to corrupt politicians to lavish on special interests.
2. Reduce income and payroll taxes, letting people keep more of their hard-earned money instead of being forced to subsidise leeches and politicians (but I repeat myself).
3. Reduce the capital gains tax, giving those workers with nice new jobs and newly-fattened paychecks an incentive to invest in the businesses of their choice — which will give those businesses even more money with which to create more jobs. Those who merely save their money, as some people complain they will do, will just enable the banking industry to lend it out at interest, resolving the credit crisis.
February 10th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
legalize marijuana this will help big time, and before i get flamed, look up the facts it is effin harmless, google marijuana myths
February 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
“I just can’t understand how anyone can think that the best way out of debt is by creating more debt”
The best way out of debt isn’t more debt. The best way out of a recession, on the other hand, is increased government expenditures to make up for lack of economic activity elsewhere, which often comes with temporary debt.
Of course, ever since the 80’s, our debt hasn’t been all that temporary, but in the current situation that is spilled milk.
February 10th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
“Since we declared the leaf as legal tender, we’ve all become immensely rich! Of course, to keep inflation down, we had to burn down all the forests…”
February 10th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I think that those debating about the stimulus package are missing the point. Economics is all about moving money, determining wealth, and establishing ownership. Money only exists because we believe that it does. It is only paper, and in most cases it is not even that anymore but merely a number. The reason that the bailout failed is because the money was given to people that value money above all other things, that is why they got into the money business. If money were of no value tomorrow but instead canned herring was the currency of choice the same people we see in charge of our money and commanding great wealth would be the foremost owners of that sweet fish. Historically, free market economies that allow business and trade to grow without governmental controls are most successful. I suppose I am opposed the the package only because I would rather people to be allowed to seek wealth in an environment of unlimited competition and unlimited opportunity. Depending on the government to save us by spending money on things that will not directly help everyone but help specific businesses seems anti-competition because these contracts will be awarded to only certain contractors. However, I have to agree with President Obama that doing something is better than doing nothing. I think what I am trying to say here is that worry about how YOU are going to make your way in life. Be self sufficient to some degree and don’t allow yourself to depend on that next paycheck/welfare check to control your destiny. Don’t go crazy survivalist, just know how to live without needing anyone but the people you love.
February 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
“A big net to suspend over the Energon Production facility” is the best idea I’ve heard in YEARS. Great post.
February 10th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Actually, Boombalonga, the Fed prints money debt free. I suggest you go to the source instead of getting your info from Zeitgeist The Movie. The Federal Reserve Bank has permanently absolved all debt involved with the printing of money.
February 10th, 2009 at 11:48 am
nice article, but you could have found something more funny to talk about the republican idea instead of just tax cut.
Like their obsession with military material.
The joke about abortion center was awesome
February 10th, 2009 at 11:41 am
I don’t want an Xbox dammit I want a PS3. Why doesn’t the government ever listen?
February 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Curse my for my financial responsibilities! Had I known that it was going to keep me from receiving more money from the government, I’d have been an irresponsible prick like a banker. Le sigh.
February 10th, 2009 at 11:27 am
@tartra
Think for a second about your fellow man tartra. Unless you’ve been sheltered, you should know already that, while there are a select few exceptions, the majority of society does not spend their money all too sensibly or responsibly. As for the rest… well Hell, I know firsthand how people tend to ride welfare as an entitlement…
@cavalierX & Styxwade
“I bet it wouldn’t last more than, say, 233 years or so.”
SHH you’ll jinx it!
February 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Really? hard to believe.i heard this news times from many friends playing on a tall dating site ___Tallmingle.com___,i did not believe, i think that they are know nothing but dating and love.
i am wrong.
February 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am
I hear ya, Cavalier. These people don’t understand how the economy works. People like Baltimore with their, “We’re not taking money, we’re spending it.” lines don’t get the fact that creating more money to “spend” only creates further debt which the taxpayers have to cover and, thus, they ARE taking your money.
It goes like this, people: each dollar the Fed has printed comes with inherent debt attached to it. So…the more dollars printed, the more debt. However, the more dollars in the “money pool” the less your dollar is worth. Therefore, the less your dollar is worth means they have to print more dollars to cover the debt. Which in turn, creates more debt, which in turn devalues the dollar, which in turn means more need to be printed, which in turn means more debt…and on and on for eternity.
ANY time the government writes a check for however millions, billions, trillions…for whatever reason, it makes our economy worse because of that inherent debt. So regardless of if it’s for banksters, the auto industry, children’s hospitals it all has the same end result: more debt, less spending power, and less money for you, the tax payer.
February 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
@tartra, because the guys doing that job at the moment are doing a great job.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:50 am
@ cavalier x
“I bet it wouldn’t last more than, say, 233 years or so.”
Yup, that looks about right.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Ok, an adult ballpit sounds completely kickass. Let’s fill central park!
February 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
“This is why you’re not an economist or in charge of America’s money in any way.”
Because I think people shoudl keep and spend the money they work so hard to earn instead of having some pencil-pushing bureaucrats in Washington dictating how they spend it according to a political agenda? Yeah, what a terrible idea. Lucky no one ever founded a country based on such idiotic ideas as freedom, huh? I bet it wouldn’t last more than, say, 233 years or so.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Man, I hate bankers.
I mean really, REALLY, feel it in my balls hate.
I hope they drown in their pools of money!
February 10th, 2009 at 10:26 am
@CavalierX
This is why you’re not an economist or in charge of America’s money in any way.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I just can’t understand how anyone can think that the best way out of debt is by creating more debt, that the best way to get people spending money again is to take more of their money away, or that a bunch of Washington politicians should decide which businesses succeed or fail instead of the actual consumers of the goods and services offered by those businesses — or their competitors.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am
In response to Cavalier:
-The purpose is not to get out of debt, the purpose is to prevent the economy from dying.
-We’re not taking people’s money (yet), we’re spending money, and that spending will go into workers’ salaries.
-Leaving dirt piles for cars to jump off is a great idea.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:13 am
We were just thinking this morning - the mere fact that there has developed an “expectation” that government should address any of our concerns in society is a notion which we should examine carefully. Consider the different reasons for the development of this expectation:
(a) Government does it best;
(b) Government is the only way it can be done;
(c) We abdicated our personal responsibility to handle our own affairs;
(d) By having government do it, we achieve efficiencies which can not be matched individually; and
(e) We pay so much in taxes that we want something of value for our money, and as the amount of taxes paid increases, we expect more for our money.
Some would argue that what we are witnessing in Congress at this point in time is exactly why government should not be allowed to do anything in our society other than those absolutely essential services which can not be provided by the private or non-profit sectors. It is difficult to run any organization, or accomplish any large task, by committee, unless all of the members share the same goals and values. That is obviously not the case with government. We, as a society, have grown to expect the government to perform certain functions; but shouldn’t we be trying to gradually reduce the number of services provided by government, particularly because politicians are intimately connected therewith?
February 10th, 2009 at 10:10 am
“inb4 cavalier x”
Hey, I was busy, alright?
February 10th, 2009 at 10:10 am
“a great deal of money is going to start pouring into socialist bullshit like children’s hospitals ”
Children’s hospitals are not Socialist bullshit. GOVERNMENT-RUN children’s hospitals, on the other hand, are.
February 10th, 2009 at 9:51 am
inb4 cavalier x
February 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Australia has similar problems with our stimulus package being passed , some people dont like the idea of a kangaroo only highway
February 10th, 2009 at 9:01 am
So, once you lure the Transformer Demographic into the country, won’t people start to complain about them stealig their jobs?
February 10th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Ah, the accessible and friendly way to explain why we should all be shitting ourselves. Tell me if it works, the UK needs digging out of this crap mountain.
Great. Cheers!
February 10th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Finally! Someone is standing up for the ballpit agenda!
Heh…ballpit.
February 10th, 2009 at 8:29 am
I too support the Energon facility.