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	<title>Comments on: D &amp; D 4th Edition: Scourge of the Insufferable Prick</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/comment-page-3/#comment-118079</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been running games since 2nd ed (early 90's), and am currently playing in a 4th ed game.

2nd ed stands as the worst system I've seen (I've never looked into 1st ed).  The "saving throws" system especially stands out in my mind, as bad RPG mechanics go.

3.5 was pretty much the pinnacle.  The D20 system streamlined gameplay without sacrificing detail and verisimilitude.  The skill system filled a big gap, and feats, Prestige Classes, and 3rd ed multiclassing allowed ulimited, open-ended options for character generation without threatening game balance too much.  3.5 clarified many rules that the DM uses, such as customizing monsters, and adjusted the balance of the classes.

4th ed represents the point where they've given up on maintaining variety, detail, and open-ended character generation, in favor of the most stripped-down system they could get away with.  I feel like I'm playing an "Introduction to D&amp;D" board game.  Hack'n'Slash combat seems to be the focus, and all of the charcters have been equalized in terms of complexity/simplicity.  As such, I quickly scrapped my Wizard in favor of a Fighter, since the Wizard's been oversimplified so badly, and all we do is attack every round anyway.

The system's still novel for me, and there are a couple of newbie gamers in the group, so it's fun...for now.  I don't think these romp-and-stomp battles will hold everyone's interest forever, and I already miss the 3.5 Cleric I was playing before.

I have no intention of running my own games in anything but 3.5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been running games since 2nd ed (early 90&#8217;s), and am currently playing in a 4th ed game.</p>
<p>2nd ed stands as the worst system I&#8217;ve seen (I&#8217;ve never looked into 1st ed).  The &#8220;saving throws&#8221; system especially stands out in my mind, as bad RPG mechanics go.</p>
<p>3.5 was pretty much the pinnacle.  The D20 system streamlined gameplay without sacrificing detail and verisimilitude.  The skill system filled a big gap, and feats, Prestige Classes, and 3rd ed multiclassing allowed ulimited, open-ended options for character generation without threatening game balance too much.  3.5 clarified many rules that the DM uses, such as customizing monsters, and adjusted the balance of the classes.</p>
<p>4th ed represents the point where they&#8217;ve given up on maintaining variety, detail, and open-ended character generation, in favor of the most stripped-down system they could get away with.  I feel like I&#8217;m playing an &#8220;Introduction to D&amp;D&#8221; board game.  Hack&#8217;n'Slash combat seems to be the focus, and all of the charcters have been equalized in terms of complexity/simplicity.  As such, I quickly scrapped my Wizard in favor of a Fighter, since the Wizard&#8217;s been oversimplified so badly, and all we do is attack every round anyway.</p>
<p>The system&#8217;s still novel for me, and there are a couple of newbie gamers in the group, so it&#8217;s fun&#8230;for now.  I don&#8217;t think these romp-and-stomp battles will hold everyone&#8217;s interest forever, and I already miss the 3.5 Cleric I was playing before.</p>
<p>I have no intention of running my own games in anything but 3.5.</p>
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		<title>By: Thiefenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thiefenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no Idea about 5th edition but I believe some generous people at Wizards whom I can only describe as "Saintly demigods that make paladins look like corrupt pigs" came out with Pathfinder (or 3.75), I was introduced to DnD during the 3rd edition era so I'm used to (and prefer) all the complex rules. pathfinder encompasses the "realistic" rule set of 3.5 while giving the PC's the badassery they've always wanted. slight changes were made to character class which are now more badasser, races (yes gnomes are a core race still) are slightly different (such as humans given an ability score plus of their choice) and even the skills are changed (fly is added for those who can fly, and max skills are brought down to the same as your level) there are plenty of other changes that I feel 3rd should have begun with in the first place.

SHADOWDANCER!!! *the room immolates with green fire which is fueled by pure awesomeness that only the Shadowdancer can fuel*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no Idea about 5th edition but I believe some generous people at Wizards whom I can only describe as &#8220;Saintly demigods that make paladins look like corrupt pigs&#8221; came out with Pathfinder (or 3.75), I was introduced to DnD during the 3rd edition era so I&#8217;m used to (and prefer) all the complex rules. pathfinder encompasses the &#8220;realistic&#8221; rule set of 3.5 while giving the PC&#8217;s the badassery they&#8217;ve always wanted. slight changes were made to character class which are now more badasser, races (yes gnomes are a core race still) are slightly different (such as humans given an ability score plus of their choice) and even the skills are changed (fly is added for those who can fly, and max skills are brought down to the same as your level) there are plenty of other changes that I feel 3rd should have begun with in the first place.</p>
<p>SHADOWDANCER!!! *the room immolates with green fire which is fueled by pure awesomeness that only the Shadowdancer can fuel*</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>darkjon@hotmail.com</description>
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		<title>By: Gho</title>
		<link>http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/comment-page-3/#comment-111482</link>
		<dc:creator>Gho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didn't take gnomes out of 4th ed.  Gnomes are now in the second player's handbook, which has been on store shelves for quite some time now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t take gnomes out of 4th ed.  Gnomes are now in the second player&#8217;s handbook, which has been on store shelves for quite some time now.</p>
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		<title>By: Gnomish Vengence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gnomish Vengence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They took out gnomes in 4th ed, this is unforgivable, I hereby turn my back on wizards of the coast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They took out gnomes in 4th ed, this is unforgivable, I hereby turn my back on wizards of the coast.</p>
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		<title>By: NOTTHEBEES</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOTTHEBEES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC? 

Remember the Psionic handbook for 3.0 and the Expanded Psionic Handbook and complete Psion for 3.5?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC? </p>
<p>Remember the Psionic handbook for 3.0 and the Expanded Psionic Handbook and complete Psion for 3.5?</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, 3.x sucks because there are no psions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, 3.x sucks because there are no psions.</p>
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		<title>By: Artic</title>
		<link>http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/comment-page-2/#comment-108802</link>
		<dc:creator>Artic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was introduced to D&amp;D post 4th, meaning I went and bought all the 4th books, only to find out the group I joined played 3.5, meaning I had to go and buy all THOSE books. In the 4th's defence, I personally think the spells are easier to understand, albeit much less awesome, and there are less tedious and pointless specifications. Other than that, 3.5 is better, because the idea of only 5 alignments, dragon-people and no sorcerers is just plain silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was introduced to D&amp;D post 4th, meaning I went and bought all the 4th books, only to find out the group I joined played 3.5, meaning I had to go and buy all THOSE books. In the 4th&#8217;s defence, I personally think the spells are easier to understand, albeit much less awesome, and there are less tedious and pointless specifications. Other than that, 3.5 is better, because the idea of only 5 alignments, dragon-people and no sorcerers is just plain silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldtimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldtimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Anonymous said on 12 Aug; one of the big problems with 4E is that they raped wizards of spells.  

A further related problem: Every other class got all sorts of "Powers" added to them.  Now, when a standard fighter makes a successful hit on an enemy, he can magically cause every other character in his own party to be healed.  Or all sorts of crazy similar things.  Every character is now a WoW superpower, with all kinds of magical effects stemming from almost any action they take in combat.  It's just a power-leveling madhouse...which was one reason TSR made 2nd edition more limiting than the originals...because to many players were claiming to have 74th level Granddaddy of the GrandMasters Monks with Irresistable Quivering Palm Strike that could instantly disintegrate an ancient dragon.

I bought only the PHB and DMG of 4e (only the first ones...didn't bother with PHBII and DMGII), simply so I could have an objective opinion of 4e and WotC's work on D&amp;D.  Damn shame what they've done to it, and how they've ruined AD&amp;D by trying to convert it into a power-crazed computer game on paper.  2nd edition had lots of good, and some bad...Original AD&amp;D, with plenty of additions from Dragon Magazine, was the best version there has ever been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Anonymous said on 12 Aug; one of the big problems with 4E is that they raped wizards of spells.  </p>
<p>A further related problem: Every other class got all sorts of &#8220;Powers&#8221; added to them.  Now, when a standard fighter makes a successful hit on an enemy, he can magically cause every other character in his own party to be healed.  Or all sorts of crazy similar things.  Every character is now a WoW superpower, with all kinds of magical effects stemming from almost any action they take in combat.  It&#8217;s just a power-leveling madhouse&#8230;which was one reason TSR made 2nd edition more limiting than the originals&#8230;because to many players were claiming to have 74th level Granddaddy of the GrandMasters Monks with Irresistable Quivering Palm Strike that could instantly disintegrate an ancient dragon.</p>
<p>I bought only the PHB and DMG of 4e (only the first ones&#8230;didn&#8217;t bother with PHBII and DMGII), simply so I could have an objective opinion of 4e and WotC&#8217;s work on D&amp;D.  Damn shame what they&#8217;ve done to it, and how they&#8217;ve ruined AD&amp;D by trying to convert it into a power-crazed computer game on paper.  2nd edition had lots of good, and some bad&#8230;Original AD&amp;D, with plenty of additions from Dragon Magazine, was the best version there has ever been.</p>
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		<title>By: austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i still only play 2nd edition. Its not complext to the point where your playing a single fight for 8 hours</description>
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