Comments on: D & D 4th Edition: Scourge of the Insufferable Prick http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/ The CRACKED.com take on the world, in America's oldest weblog, since 1958. Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:41:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: RIsEoben http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-58291 RIsEoben Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:44:20 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-58291 <a href="http://www.seozone.jp" rel="nofollow">SEO</a> ZONE is a search engine optimization(seo) firm, provides seo, seo article, seo tools,seo news and seo related informations,helping companies leverage the internet to increase revenues and profits. SEO ZONE is a search engine optimization(seo) firm, provides seo, seo article, seo tools,seo news and seo related informations,helping companies leverage the internet to increase revenues and profits.

]]> By: Aaron Yoder http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-47634 Aaron Yoder Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:41:53 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-47634 TSR ftw It was just a better game back then. I want to play an RPG not an MMO on paper. TSR ftw

It was just a better game back then. I want to play an RPG not an MMO on paper.

]]> By: Pete http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-46449 Pete Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:08:58 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-46449 >But how many, dense, torturous analog RPGs–where your life and death can hinge on any >number of obscure modifiers hidden in any number of monolithic tomes large enough to >crush a man’s skull–are sitting on the shelves? > >One. Dungeons and fucking Dragons. Ever heard of Rolemaster, mate? >But how many, dense, torturous analog RPGs–where your life and death can hinge on any >number of obscure modifiers hidden in any number of monolithic tomes large enough to >crush a man’s skull–are sitting on the shelves?
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>One. Dungeons and fucking Dragons.

Ever heard of Rolemaster, mate?

]]> By: Graham http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-44129 Graham Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:55:14 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-44129 They had it good in 2nd edition - lots of room for most anything the players felt would work, HUGE options for roleplaying (if you thought that 2nd was restrictive, you just don't have a good enough imagination, inventiveness, or creativity to roleplay or complain about roleplaying consctrictions, as if you are bound to the game system for roleplaying, LOL), a strong system that wasn't overcomplicated, and things made sense. Then, they pumped out a "must-be-run-on-a-computer-unnecessary-bullshit" when 3rd came, and 4th just takes that cake and runs with it. If they wanted to make a game meant for computer gaming, then they should have just come out and fucking said so, because that's exactly what 3rd and 4th are. Wizards of the Coast? Moar liek Wiztards of teh Co$t, amirite? Please, WotC, give us some of that old time awesomeness, without this excessive, bulky, and downright stupid flair tacked on. They had it good in 2nd edition - lots of room for most anything the players felt would work, HUGE options for roleplaying (if you thought that 2nd was restrictive, you just don’t have a good enough imagination, inventiveness, or creativity to roleplay or complain about roleplaying consctrictions, as if you are bound to the game system for roleplaying, LOL), a strong system that wasn’t overcomplicated, and things made sense.

Then, they pumped out a “must-be-run-on-a-computer-unnecessary-bullshit” when 3rd came, and 4th just takes that cake and runs with it.

If they wanted to make a game meant for computer gaming, then they should have just come out and fucking said so, because that’s exactly what 3rd and 4th are.

Wizards of the Coast?
Moar liek Wiztards of teh Co$t, amirite?

Please, WotC, give us some of that old time awesomeness, without this excessive, bulky, and downright stupid flair tacked on.

]]> By: zachs http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-40627 zachs Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:47 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-40627 By making everyone super special, the gave each class a vest of flair covered in buttons, pins and knick-knacks. And look... everyone has a vest. By making everyone super special, the gave each class a vest of flair covered in buttons, pins and knick-knacks. And look… everyone has a vest.

]]> By: zachs http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-40626 zachs Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:42:45 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-40626 5th Edition must require 1. A chapter in the DMG that is specially for XP bonuses that will be awarded to any player that can overpower a character using completely legitimate rules. 5th Edition must require

1. A chapter in the DMG that is specially for XP bonuses that will be awarded to any player that can overpower a character using completely legitimate rules.

]]> By: Lordwulfgang http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-40169 Lordwulfgang Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:03:14 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-40169 I have run a game VERY successfully for around 15 ish years,, when 3.0 came out we grudgingly converted, but in the end were happy for it. Like every other great campaign, It has spanned several charicters from each player and run the gambit from 1st to epic levels..... There is no real possability for conversion to 4.0....at all.... I wish it just had another name. This system is so dramaticly like an MMORPG and so dramaticly unlike a tabletop RPG I just cant like it. All my friends do. They say I'm insane. WTF! I FEAL LIKE I"M TAKING CRAZY PILLS. Adimittedly 4.0 is easy. Far more so than 3.5 BUT at what cost. 3.5 sparked imagination and creativity in a way that 4.0 just cant. Everything is spelled out, there is no more searching the books for the perfect some-such to Beat down the beasties. The paragon paths are at best limmiting.It seems that the next generation of players is a bit Lazy, or at the very least WotC are creating a crowd of cross Genra players cofortable with Primarily hack and slash gaming. For sure the pre-made adventures will be easyer to run,,,,but who uses them,,Almost no one I know. Please tell me how I am wrong, because I must be. There just seems to be a level of deapth and realism (granted I use that word loosly, this is fantasy after all) that is unattainable with the new system. Seriously, A rouge can hit 9 dudes with one thrown dagger at first level? It's no longer what it was. If it had a new name, I think I would love it. I have run a game VERY successfully for around 15 ish years,, when 3.0 came out we grudgingly converted, but in the end were happy for it. Like every other great campaign, It has spanned several charicters from each player and run the gambit from 1st to epic levels….. There is no real possability for conversion to 4.0….at all…. I wish it just had another name.
This system is so dramaticly like an MMORPG and so dramaticly unlike a tabletop RPG I just cant like it. All my friends do. They say I’m insane. WTF! I FEAL LIKE I”M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.
Adimittedly 4.0 is easy. Far more so than 3.5 BUT at what cost. 3.5 sparked imagination and creativity in a way that 4.0 just cant. Everything is spelled out, there is no more searching the books for the perfect some-such to Beat down the beasties. The paragon paths are at best limmiting.It seems that the next generation of players is a bit Lazy, or at the very least WotC are creating a crowd of cross Genra players cofortable with Primarily hack and slash gaming. For sure the pre-made adventures will be easyer to run,,,,but who uses them,,Almost no one I know.
Please tell me how I am wrong, because I must be. There just seems to be a level of deapth and realism (granted I use that word loosly, this is fantasy after all) that is unattainable with the new system. Seriously, A rouge can hit 9 dudes with one thrown dagger at first level? It’s no longer what it was. If it had a new name, I think I would love it.

]]> By: Lucus09 http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-35923 Lucus09 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:02:34 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-35923 I'm not sure if you played the new version but, it is a lot easier making your person and will-users aren’t so squishy. I’m not sure if you played the new version but, it is a lot easier making your person and will-users aren’t so squishy.

]]> By: Azrael Macool http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-35749 Azrael Macool Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:35:46 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-35749 Hey, we just rolled up our first 4th edition characters tonight, and it actually turned out really well. We didn't have enough time to actually play any tonight (not because it takes that long to make a character, it really doesn't, we just did other things too), but everyone's really excited. I was afraid the rules would be dumbed down, and while they occasionally over-explain things, that's still much preferable to under-explaining things. I've played D&D for 8 years now, been a DM for almost all of it, mostly only played 3rd edition, and I like it quite a lot. My friend has only been playing Star Wars Saga since it came out, a few months ago. He played a little D&D, found it to be needlessly complicated (I have to spend skill points?! What about trained skills?!), and likes this much better. My other friend has played D&D for about 12 years, didn't even play 3rd edition until a few months ago, always complained that it was too complicated compared to 2nd, even when I threw THAC0 in his face, and he likes this much better. My brother, who's played as long as I have, has not yet made his character, but he likes what he's seen so far. And, it's not near vanilla; not only does every class have its own cool powers, a huge variety, each class has 4 paragon paths (except for Warlock, which only has 3); if you take the appropriate multiclass feat, you can take that classes paragon path. That's a pretty huge variety right there. I think I might play a Paladin, multiclass Cleric, and take Angelic Avenger Path; who knows? Plus, this is only the first 3 rulebooks; while there were more classes in 3rd, 4th just came out. I already know that they want to add the swordmage, sorcerer, monk, barbarian, and druid classes ASAP, as well as various psionic classes. Now, I'm not saying that 4th edition's perfect; I already have a bit of a problem with the fact the Int doesn't really seem to do much of anything (other than AC, Reflex, Wizard attacks...okay I guess it does a lot), but I still think it ought to add to the number of skills. Hell, I heard before it came out that Int mod was supposed to be added as a bonus to all trained skills. Maybe its still in there, and I just missed it. Oh well. It's not perfect, but I don't think they made it because they hate us, and want to steal money straight from out pockets. I think they truly, and rightly, realized that 3rd edition had some fundamental problems that needed fixing, and this was the best, and coolest, way to do it. Hey, we just rolled up our first 4th edition characters tonight, and it actually turned out really well. We didn’t have enough time to actually play any tonight (not because it takes that long to make a character, it really doesn’t, we just did other things too), but everyone’s really excited. I was afraid the rules would be dumbed down, and while they occasionally over-explain things, that’s still much preferable to under-explaining things. I’ve played D&D for 8 years now, been a DM for almost all of it, mostly only played 3rd edition, and I like it quite a lot. My friend has only been playing Star Wars Saga since it came out, a few months ago. He played a little D&D, found it to be needlessly complicated (I have to spend skill points?! What about trained skills?!), and likes this much better. My other friend has played D&D for about 12 years, didn’t even play 3rd edition until a few months ago, always complained that it was too complicated compared to 2nd, even when I threw THAC0 in his face, and he likes this much better. My brother, who’s played as long as I have, has not yet made his character, but he likes what he’s seen so far. And, it’s not near vanilla; not only does every class have its own cool powers, a huge variety, each class has 4 paragon paths (except for Warlock, which only has 3); if you take the appropriate multiclass feat, you can take that classes paragon path. That’s a pretty huge variety right there. I think I might play a Paladin, multiclass Cleric, and take Angelic Avenger Path; who knows? Plus, this is only the first 3 rulebooks; while there were more classes in 3rd, 4th just came out. I already know that they want to add the swordmage, sorcerer, monk, barbarian, and druid classes ASAP, as well as various psionic classes. Now, I’m not saying that 4th edition’s perfect; I already have a bit of a problem with the fact the Int doesn’t really seem to do much of anything (other than AC, Reflex, Wizard attacks…okay I guess it does a lot), but I still think it ought to add to the number of skills. Hell, I heard before it came out that Int mod was supposed to be added as a bonus to all trained skills. Maybe its still in there, and I just missed it. Oh well. It’s not perfect, but I don’t think they made it because they hate us, and want to steal money straight from out pockets. I think they truly, and rightly, realized that 3rd edition had some fundamental problems that needed fixing, and this was the best, and coolest, way to do it.

]]> By: kingmonkey +1 http://www.cracked.com/blog/d-d-4th-edition-scourge-of-the-insufferable-prick/#comment-35622 kingmonkey +1 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:53:09 +0000 http://www.cracked.com/blog/?p=1346#comment-35622 Hey, I'm not fat, nor am I bearded! As a 2nd editioner, I take offence to that remark and hereby throw my +2 cane of arthritic inflammation at you. (My THAC0 is 5!) Hey, I’m not fat, nor am I bearded! As a 2nd editioner, I take offence to that remark and hereby throw my +2 cane of arthritic inflammation at you. (My THAC0 is 5!)

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