A Journey Through the Healthcare Apocalypse With Glenn Beck
It is the year 2020, and Obamacare has made the world a very different place. It is this distorted realm that our protagonist finds himself unwittingly, kind of awkwardly and very drunkenly thrust into. After having fallen asleep in the year 2010 and, possibly due to some sort of top secret army experiment in cryogenics (but far more likely due to passing out in that meat locker), he has become frozen in time and arisen 10 years hence to find the America he once knew "hanging by a thread." Let this tale serve as a warning of things to come:
"I'll fucking cut you!" I screamed, like I always do when waking from a deep sleep.
I skeptically surveyed my surroundings. This clearly was not the Chili's storage freezer I--in a confused attempt to counter the Cat Scratch Fevers I came down with after doing too much Meow Meow in the back of an El Camino owned by a guy named Loose Lopez (he owed me some favors)--had originally fallen asleep in. Everything certainly seemed the same: I was still curled up in a desperate, terrified fetal position, both of my eyes were still propped open and my hands were formed into their usual claws so as to appear threatening to any potential predators stumbling across my unconscious form; but the room was entirely different. The freezer unit must have burnt out somehow; the steel walls were warm to the touch, rusted out and appeared ravaged by time and neglect. I stood shakily, resisting the urge to rub my scent on the walls (a lingering side effect of the drug) and made my way to the door.
I emerged onto a landscape destroyed: The husks of old, burnt out cars littered a broken highway, the distant skyline was populated only by the crumbling shells of what I assumed were once gleaming skyscrapers, and the air itself was the ruddy color of worn concrete. No birds chirped, no animals stirred; it was a world completely devoid of life.
"Jesus, I wound up in Baltimore," I muttered to nobody in particular.
This is Baltimore. If you've never been, don't worry - you'll go there one day to pay for your sins.
"This is Washington," rasped a voice behind me.
I spun to see the haggard, wrecked form of a man dressed head to toe in soiled rags. His shoulders were stooped, his posture was broken, also his head kind of looked like an undercooked ham and something about his facial expression made you just know, instantly, that he was currently impotent, and had always, always been so.
"Glenn Beck," he introduced himself, offering me his hand to shake.
Seriously, that man has a terminal case of Ham Head.
"What... what happened here?" I asked, gesturing at the wreckage around us.
"Health care reform," he spat. Literally. Just all over me. There was clearly something wrong with his mouth.
"Forgive me. It's the extra saliva glands they implanted back in '13," he stepped to the side to reveal a dim, narrow opening between the buildings leading downward into the earth below. He shuffled through it, and I followed him into the claustrophobic darkness as we spoke.
"Who did?"
He laughed, his voice thick with sorrow and resentment. You could actually hear him choke back the tears. He clearly had some practice at it.
I'm assuming he cries pineapple glaze.
"The democrats! Who else!? You know perfectly well what they did to us. After they passed the health care reform bill, they started handing out medical procedures left and right - and that was fine! Who could argue with making health care more accessible to the poor and impoverished? But then, just like we pundits had always feared, they went completely mad: They couldn't stop, even when everybody was perfectly healthy. 'We're good,' said America, 'thank you very much, now let's use the rest of this money to get everybody jobs!' But no! 'Health care,' the democrats screamed, frothing at the mouth with madness in their eyes, 'more health care!' Soon elective procedures were made mandatory: Boob jobs were forced on even the most naturally busty of women, chiseled jawlines were installed by roving surgery units, nosejob kiosks cropped up on every corner like streetlights, unmanned aerial drones armed with high powered lasers performed corrective eye surgery from the skies, literally raining down vision on the helpless masses below."
"That's... terrible?" I asked him.
He spun on his heel and shoved me up against the side of the cave wall. "You know what happened next! You were there! They started replacing perfectly good kidneys just because they were 'shaped funny'! Weekly CAT scans! Daily colonics! Soon they were installing multiple, backup organs 'just in case'! Look at me: I used to be a normal sized man who always somehow inexplicably looked fat, now I'm practically anorexic!" He motioned downward at his emaciated frame and I saw that, indeed, he was whip-thin now.
Still looked fat though. Weird how that worked.
My theory is that he's made of Stretch Armstrong material left out in the sun.
"They installed so many saliva glands in me that food simply slips right out of my mouth! It's hell! Hell has come to town, and he's asking around about apartments! Hell wants to be your roommate, and he's going to drink straight out of the goddamn carton!"
"Jesus! I'm sorry, I... I didn't know. I must have slipped through time somehow. This was all just here when I woke up. I had no idea!"
"No..." a look of disbelief passed over his face, quickly replaced by a kind of skeptical hope, "can it be? You're... pure? Unaltered? Two eyes, two ears, one heart?"
"Yeah, I..." he patted me down frantically, feeling all of my limbs, "...I've got a dick that does the work of 10 lesser dongs, but that's about it."
At that he suddenly choked off a sob--you could tell the words 'dick' and 'work' appearing together in the same sentence pained him. I slapped his shoulder reassuringly. "Listen, man, I was exaggerating. Honestly, it only does the work of two, maybe three cocks, tops."
Still the hardest working dick in show business, though.
"No matter!" he cried, seizing my arm and rushing headlong down the path with a frenzied abandon. "We must bring you to the elder! You are pure! The prophecy is true!"
After what seemed like an eternity of random, stumbling turns through a series of increasingly narrow tunnels, we finally emerged into a large, dimly lit cavern beneath the rock. Its outer boundaries were lost in shadow, and the entire floor of it was crowded with strange dwellings that seemed to be modeled after an idyllic '50s suburb. Ratty, musty carpeting was laid down in place of the archetypal finely manicured lawn; pointed sticks rubbed with chalk took the place of white picket fences; roughshod collections of garbage shaped like old Buicks, lawnmowers and ice cream trucks were haphazardly strewn throughout. As we passed by each "home," the inhabitants shyly stepped out from the doorways in their burnt and blackened suits; their housedresses cobbled together from scraps of plastic. It was heartrending. They were clinging to the past with everything they had, though the world had long since left them behind.
"Where are we going?" I asked Beck.
"To the elder! We have waited for this day for so long!" He dragged me up a twisting ramp onto a raised dais in the middle of the cavern. The people congregated below, a hushed murmur of excitement stirring amongst them. An ostentatious, adorned throne was erected in the center of the platform, and I could just make out the shadowy form of a man there. He stood and with great effort waddled his way into the light, where I could see that he alone was wearing an unmarked, impeccably-tailored Italian suit. His hair was obviously recently and expensively cut. His hands were soft and clean. A gold watch shone from his wrist.
Obviously this is the champion of the working man and not a human parody of a supervillain.
"Rush, he's here!" Glenn, in his excitement, tripped over himself and sprawled into the dust before Mr. Limbaugh. "We've found him! The pure one! Look at him, you can see: He's unspoiled by health care! He's perfect! His eyes are poor, he's obviously out of shape, his teeth- I mean, he's clearly not been to a dentist in years! And his face! Look! He's still pretty ugly! Pure! Pure!"
"My god," said Rush Limbaugh, looking over me with the cold empathy that a butcher looks over an animal before slaughter, "he is an absolute wreck! What a marvel! The American ideal we've been fighting for!"
"This is getting kind of retarded and mean-spirited," I began to point out, but was cut off when a deep, resounding boom thundered throughout the cavern. Dust and debris showered us from the cavern above; scattered cries of excitement rose up from the people below.
"That's him!" cried Rush, lumbering towards a steep stairway carved into the rock behind him, "bring the Unhealthy One, Beck! This ends today!"
"What's going on?" I asked Glenn as he ushered me upwards after Limbaugh.
"It's just like I said! The Sleeping Giant has awoken! The prophecy was true! 'When a purely unhealthy man emerges from the ruins of an insured nation, the sleeping giant will awaken to take back America from her oppressors!' It's all happening!"
"Well I get why you tied me down, democrats: You hate liberty. But all the raping just seemed downright unnecessary!"
The caverns completely emptied of people as we ascended. They scrambled up their makeshift ladders, they sprinted up the stairway after us, and when that was full they scaled the walls freehand - pulling themselves any way they could towards the surface. Their faces were absolutely contorted with a kind of religious, celebratory fury. I was forcefully expelled into the surface air by the throngs gushing out from the passages beneath me. They carried me along effortlessly toward some mysterious destination and--though the scale was too massive to fully comprehend, and though I was constantly being thrust forward and jostled by the crowds--I managed to catch recurring glimpses of some enormous, star-spangled, gargantuan man-thing striding slowly above the crowd. Each step of his was an earthquake; each breath a gale force wind.
Suddenly a sharp, high-pitched shrieking pierced the air above us. Cries of fear echoed from the crowd. When I glanced upward, I found myself staring into the face of pure, unadulterated terror: Fleets of black-robed figures twisted through the air, mounted on shimmering, winged worms. Occasionally one would break formation, swoop down and drag one of the poor, unsuspecting, honest working men screaming up into the air, before dropping them to their demise.
"Death panels," Beck explained, keeping my head low and pushing onward, "they are exactly how we described them. God, we tried to warn everybody! Why did nobody listen!"
They are exactly like the Nazgul, except with the head of a bureaucrat. Named Stan. He likes stamps. And DEATH.
By taking shelter below the Sleeping Giant and skittering from cover to cover, Beck, Limbaugh and I somehow made it safely to our destination: The ruins of the Capitol building. The once grand structure stood before us, it's proud facade now dingy, faded and utterly disgraced. A semi-circle of dark, robed figures blocked our way to the entrance, and in the middle of them all stood some... thing. It was like arrogance and smugness had coalesced into human form and taken a shape meant to mockingly resemble a woman.
"Stand aside, Maddow," boomed Rush, in what was probably intended to be a tone of righteous indignation but really just came across as kind of snotty and bitchy.
"Never!" she answered immediately. "Even with the giant awoken, we will never surrender to you! The people must be told how to live! Must be forced, if need be, into doing what is best for them! We will take it all away until life is perfect! Criminalizing cigarettes! Banning trans-fats! The world will be sterilized!" Her voice inspired instant nausea, a sickening lurch in the bones. It was as though it operated on a frequency human beings were simply not meant to hear.
"Sterilized, sterilized, sterilized," chanted the others in a dull monotone.
"It's not just the giant," cried Beck, shoving me forward to stand alone between the two parties, "the Pure One has come!"
There was a moment of astonished silence as Rachel Maddow appraised me skeptically.
That's pretty much the only look she has, actually: skeptical appraisal.
"Jesus, he's kind of a wreck isn't he?" one robed figure whispered, breaking the silence.
"You truly are untouched," Maddow marveled, "but we can fix you, Pure One! It will cost you nothing. If you come with us voluntarily now, you will be made whole like us. If you refuse, you will be ruined. Utterly demolished. And when you are at your lowest point, it is then that we will strike: You will be insured harder than you ever thought possible. Insurance that will reverberate through every aspect of your life. Insurance that will haunt you forever. Your choice."
The entire world seemed to pause at that moment: The conservative masses held their breath, yearning for the least excuse to unleash some grand moment of violence for reasons they no longer fully understood. The democrats stood before me, their circle of oppression wanting to violate me with their filthy health care. The tension was rivaled only by the silence; all awaiting my response.
"What will you do?" asked Beck at last.
"I'm sorry," I coughed, clearing my throat and addressing each side in turn, "it seems like you're both just fighting at this point because you're supposed to be fighting. Ultimately, I doubt my day-to-day life will be all that affected regardless of what happens. "
Pictured: My day-to-day life, being unaffected.
"But... the oppression!" cried Limbaugh from behind me.
"But... the greater good!" Maddow hissed in front of me.
"If I had it my way, I'd bring us back to the time where your vote and your policies were a private matter that you didn't talk about in public because it was considered rude," I replied.
The Death Panels circled uncertainly above us. I'm fairly certain I saw one of the shrouded figures--writhing through the air above us on his hell-beast--give a shrug and a reluctant nod of approval to another. The giant seemed confounded; he scratched his head and shifted from foot to foot. Glenn Beck was on on the verge of tears (again,) Maddow just took to silently making bitch-faces at everybody present, while Limbaugh puffed on a cigar and guffawed villainously into the ether. They seemed completely at a loss as to what to do when you didn't fuel their bullshit engines by loudly endorsing one side or the other in stark black and white terms.
"I guess I just don't really give a shit about politics," I admitted, "I, uh... I probably should have mentioned that earlier before wasting everybody's time. My bad."
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i, like, forgot to swallow for a few minutes while reading this article, then i suddenly drooled while looking at a picture of glenn beck... hello, sexual confusion!
ReplyNice job Brockway. I miss the days when people didn't discuss politics in public. Unfortunately, the time period gets a bad rap because of the practically sport-like wife beating and racism.
Replyflawless composition
ReplyAhhhahaahhh!!! Yes, my children, argue, fight, bicker, you feed me! I grow! I flourish! More b***hing on the internet, bore shouting at avery stupid electronic brick wall, thinking you'll change someone's mind! More!
ReplySIncerely,
The trolls
You have to realize that being apolitical in the aggressive, over-the-top way portrayed here is every bit as obnoxious as beck or maddow. And do you seriously think that health care "won't affect you"? The economy, believe it or not, will dictate your standard of living for the next forever. Your politics-and they are politics-are juvenile. You yearn for a return to the days when telling people about your politics was rude by telling us about your politics.
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesStill, it was hilarious. I love you, Brockway, you hypocrite.
"The economy, believe it or not, will dictate your standard of living for the next forever."
Exactly; and In this world of 9 billion people+ there ain't a god damn thing you can do about it, if you still believe in democracy you are ignorant. Ironically. Someone might bother to troll me back and say the usual "and its people like you who make it like it is" bulls**t
however its far too late and only with Brockway's outlook can you still maintain some happyness! blissful ignorance of the moronic popularity race that is modern politics. I love you Brockway.
Bassario: There are things you can do. Not vote for retarded people is one. Not giving evil businesses your money is another. Consumers DO have a responsibility you know
CHRIST! Why are people so damn blind? The only things, THE ONLY THINGS, Americans are supposed to want are; a cold beer, some warm p***y, and a place to take a s**t that has a door on it. When humanity started having politicians actually attempt to do things, everything went to hell.
who?
ReplyHaha! This is lovely!
ReplyIt's kinda fun to be sitting in a country where a similar system has worked (yes, f**king -worked-!) for decades and see all the picketing yanks calling out "the end is nigh!" "communists!" "heathens!" etc just because you have no idea of how anything works in any other country but your own :þ
ReplyNot saying "All f**king yanks are ignorant p***ks that doesnt know s**t about s**t" just saying that all you doomsday prophets out there like 'orangemtl' down there should friggin chilax and take a look at something else than american political media for a change, like for an example, how s**t -really- is in other countries.
You should write a hell of an article!
ReplyI have to say I've loved all your other articles to death but this one just knocks it out of the park in the end. Hilarious Brockway article + ripping on both the foolish political parties = Gold.
ReplyBEST. JOURNALISM. EVER.. LOVED. EVERY. MINUTE.
ReplyAmazing. You're the best.
Replythe healthcare system needed to be fix but you people do know that this is something the big "evil" Insurance companies wanted right, everyone will have to have their insurance and yes they will not have to cover you for preexisting conditions, you just still have to pay them or get fined a s**t ton and may have to serve time in jail, but really who reads bills anymore
ReplyObviously not you, who ever said anything about serving jail time?
Yeah, this guy is stupid. You would have had to have insurance or be fined (that's true) but the insurance would have been f**k tons of cheap. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than letting suicidal maniacs who want to kill people go off their meds. Yeah, we do that.
Brockway, I always knew I was going to have to create an account so I could comment on one of your posts. I love every piece you write. You get me every time. My favourite part of this article was by far:
Reply"I emerged onto a landscape destroyed: The husks of old, burnt out cars littered a broken highway, the distant skyline was populated only by the crumbling shells of what I assumed were once gleaming skyscrapers, and the air itself was the ruddy color of worn concrete. No birds chirped, no animals stirred; it was a world completely devoid of life.
“Jesus, I wound up in Baltimore,” I muttered to nobody in particular."
I live in Columbia (between Baltimore and D.C.) and that line cracked me right the f**k up. Thank you.
Has anyone else noticed that since this bill passed s**ts getting done again? "Gays in the military" -check, and the econamy is stable again. (though it has been I just like saying it) for only a week that one bill is awsome concidering the republican dickishness
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesWHo waved a magic wand and made the economy "stable" again? Several states are experiencing double dip housing losses, because of the government's efforts to delay the day of reckoning. The economy is never really stable or unstable. The economy is simply the aggregation of lots of free associations, or at least it would be if it wasn't for government perverting incentives. Republicans are dicks for resisting Obama, but I assume that if it wasn't your guy in office, you'd be wholeheartedly behind the opposition. SUch Bulls**t.
The stock market isn't going down 150 points a day anymore and the housing market is stable where I live, also, I'm an independent. Dems are p***ys and the Reps are stupid asshats, if anyone passes a bill i like they get a thumbs up.
The stock market simply represents an asset class. I don't deny that t alot of corporate welfare is out there inflating the numbers, but it is not a true economic recovery, necessarily. I'm not saying that it isn't, but any recovery built on inflation of asset classes and government contracts is simply a government managed, techno-corporatist recovery. Jobless, too. The stock market is still well under its lower highs just a few years ago, even a decade or so ago, and the dollar has lost a lot of value, evidenced by the price of gold shooting up. Sure, other currencies are losing value, too, such as the once mighty Euro being taken down by the Greece welfare state, but that is hardly "evidence" of recovery. We can look at keynesian indicators all day, but it is all just hocus pocus for the cameras baring a small relation to what is actually happening on the ground.
Just because your local housing market is stable, it doesn't mean that many homes aren't still overpriced, as the government is allowing banks to not report their actual losses, and is keeping people in homes who can't afford them, thus creating a shadow inventory.
That's Okay!!!There'll be a special little corner of Hell for
Reply Hide All See All 18 RepliesGlenn Beck;Bill O'Reilly;Sean Hannity;Sarah Palin;Michelle Malkin;
Ann Coulter;Laura Ingraham;Pat Robertson;John Hagee;Rush Limbaugh and Pat Buchannan alongside Ronald Reagan;The Kennedys;Ayn Rand and Jerry Falwell!!!
Don't Worry Glenn!!Satan's Already Determined Your'e Gonna Be His Bitch!!
He's Gonna Call You"Candy"Because You'll Be Giving It Up Real Sweet!!!
"UhmHmm!!Sure Do Like Them Fried Taters!!UhHmm!!"
-Billy Bob Thornton:"Sling Blade".
Ayn Rand was opposed to violence as a libertarian. Only the state uses violent coercion. Anyone who has advocated violence on an international scale deserves a place in hell, but not Ayn Rand. Let's see here, communism killed 100 million people in the twentieth century, and governments of all kinds were responsible for the deaths of 200 million of their own citizens during the same century. Go f**k yourself. Leave Ayn Rand alone.
Ayn Rand is an overrated hack whom right-wingers flock to as some sort of philosophical messiah because she espouses torrents of bulls**t about the nobility of selfishness. Whenever I'm in a political discussion and someone starts in with Ayn Rand or John Galt I immediately know I'm dealing with a nutcase.
Ayn Rand was probably one of the greatest female writers of the twentieth century, but she is lambasted by feminists for her love of free markets. I admit that i've only read some of her work, and I'm hardly her biggest fan, but you can't blame her for what right wingers say. Ayn Rand was against 90 percent of what right wingers stand for. Anything who thinks that Republicans are truly fans of ayn rand, are morons. Ayn rand was pure libertarian, and you are completely misrepresenting her philosophy. She stood for the freedom of millions, and you don't understand just how many times supposed altruism has hurt people more than it has helped. I'm not an objectivist like her, but ass hats who try to make her seem evil for loving freedom and individuality can suck a fat one. She certainly doesn't deserve a place in hell, and she was an atheist. She was against religion. Morons.
Frankly, your juvenile namecalling undercuts what seems to be a rational argument, albeit one I wholeheartedly disagree with. Libertarianism, like Rand's much-lauded Determinism, may sound great (to some) on paper. But in reality, particularly in a nation of hundreds of millions of people, it is simply naive. If you REALLY want to practice that kind of philosophy, then by all means go out and get yourself a cabin deep in the woods (make sure it's off the grid, mind you) and parctice your "enlightened self-interest". But if you have a fire, are the victim of a crime or become ill, just wait and see how fast that wonderful "free market" (which has served us so very well this past decade) comes to your aid. Have fun with that and let me know how it turns out.
By the way, where did I mention religion? It would be unlikely of me to bring that up as I'm an Atheist myself.
Sooooooo, your problem with Ayn Rand is that she is individualistic? What is so special about today that makes individualism impossible? I really don't see what makes individualism so impossible, considering that I am poor and have never worked in a government job or ever used a government program, except the roads and the local community college. NOthing the government does couldn't be done completely in the free market just as well or better. YOu just like the idea of every man being a slave to every man, I guess, but not everyone agrees with you, and yes we have a natural right to say no to mass theft. All western countries are LESS socialistic than they were 35 years ago, especially the European countries. Even South America is a largely more privatized place then it used to be. Japan privatized most parts of its economy as well as Great Britain, and nobody is suggesting going back to the days before privatization. The government adds unnecessary complexity, which leads to a process of fixing the problems that it creates. The government regulates the healthcare industry in a way that prices everyone out of it, then it protects the AMA from any real competition. Soon, we'll need to nationalize our entire healthcare industry in order to cover the rising costs, but as the situation in Greece shows, governments can only hide the real costs for so long before the system goes belly up. Socialism still has yet to prove itself as a superior system in any obvious way, and nobody even suggest the socialist goals of just 40 or fifty years ago anymore. The socialists today are pansy, neo-technocrats.
Your hatred of Ayn Rand is purely emotional and unfounded. Please, just keep it to yourself. Ayn Rand never hurt anybody, but Communism has killed 100 million. The great leap forward in China and the Collectivization of farming in the Ukraine both led to starvation on an untold scale, which resulted in people eating their own children to stay alive. The building of the Black Sea Canal killed thousands of people (what a fantastic jobs program!) and it is frozen over 7 months a year. Hell is filled with socialists.
Your diatribes are a perfect example of why I usually don't engage the Ayn Rand crowd in debate. You talk in circles, make outrageous claims without a shred of evidence to back them up and couch your generally douchebag behaviour in a cloak of "individualism".
You're also really good at building straw men, writing long arguments against statements that I never made. I never said I had a problem with Rand being "individualistic". I'm all for individualism, nor did I say it was impossible. I just know that it's possible to be an individual without being a complete dick. What you're calling individualism is simply an excuse to go through life being a selfish p***k and having absolutely no regard for others. See, you (and most of the other Rand disciples that I've met) take things to such a ridiculous extreme that-if everyone were to follow suit-would make any kind of sophisticated society impossible. Without some respect and regard for your fellow citizens we would be living in a third-world country. Working hard to better yourself is great. It's noble even. But if you use that as an excuse to completely disregard the greater good, we are left with nothing holding us together as a society.
I also love how you cherry-pick what you do and do not consider acceptable in regard to using the services of the government. People on welfare are parasites and those of us in favor of health care reform are socialists (seriously, ALL of you need to look up what that word actually means), but it's okay for you to use the roads and attend community college? Why do those things get a pass? Either the government is inherently bad or it isn't. You can't just say "oh, but this one thing is okay because it benefits ME". Therein lies the crux of my whole issue with this movement. You're not against the government, you're against the parts of the government that don't benefit YOU PERSONALLY. You're like the Teabaggers screaming that the government should keep it's hands off of their Medicare.
Oh, and that free market you have such faith in? You can thank both the current economic wasteland and the need for health care reform on a free market that was allowed to run roughshod and has nearly brought the whole country down around our ears. All the while leaving you-in your own words-poor. Seems the free market has failed you, my friend. But then again, as a rugged individualist it's likely your own fault that you're poor (as opposed to maybe getting swept along, as millions have, in a downward financial spiral brought to us by those noble individualists that cared only for their own personal profit and had no regard for how their actions would impact society as a whole) and you should just slither into the nearest gutter with the other lesser-beings (read: other poor people) and die quickly, thinning the herd for the rest of the free-market acolytes.
I question, however, how poor you can be, considering you have a computer and free time to argue politics on a dick-joke website. The fact that you're able to get by without government assistance (you know, except for community college) and still have all this netsurfing time suggests that when compared to people who are actually POOR, you would probably have it pretty good. I suspect that if your situation worsened, if you could no longer afford to eat, let's say, you would again find a way to rationalize why it would be okay for you to apply for welfare or food stamps. Likewise, if you became seriously ill, I suspect you'd be all too willing to take advantage of the new rules that health care reform has to offer. Since clearly you've never had a private insurance company deny you coverage based on a pre-existing condition (a condition that means that you, you know, NEED health care) or had to watch a seriously ill loved one suffer for lack of health care, eventually losing every dime they ever had just to keep up with bills and pay for vital meds (and STILL wind up tens of thousands of dollars in debt). Thanks, privately-run health care! You did a bang-up job!
See, being poor, that is living in POVERTY, means struggling day to day for survival. Poor people don't have time to post on message boards. They're too busy trying to figure out from day to day how to keep a roof over their heads and how to feed themselves and their familiss. All because the magic of the free-market economy failed to beneift anyone save for those at the very top.
So continue to rage against the machine. Continue to fling insults at people when they make an argument you can't refute. Continue to pull numbers out of you ass without a single citation to back them up. Continue to sneer at European contries who, in some ways at least, have left us in the dust with a broken financial system and the worst health care system in the industrialized world. And by all means, continue to call everyone who disagrees with you a "slave" while acting as an unpaid mouthpiece for those who see you-by virtue of your low economic status-as irrelevant. Continue to pray at the altar of the free market. Here's a hint, though: They're not listening. Because as far as they're concerned, you don't count.
Cracked doesn't let me post links, but I can back up everything that I said.
I didn't even realize that we were engaged in an argument. I wasn't just making statements against you, so don't put words in my mouth either. Although, you did rant about how Ayn Rand's views aren't "practical" just because there are a lot of people, and i took issue with that. I was discussing whether or not Ayn Rand was evil and "deserved a place in hell." You're the one who stepped into the conversation to defend the idea that Ayn Rand was somehow awful, then you talked about how libertarianism is impractical, and only works "on paper." My point was that i have yet to see the alternatives "work" in any way that can be considered univeral. Then I argued against that. I don't see how I'm making a circular argument, and I wasn't even really arguing against just you. You are pretending that we've engaged each other in a direct debate. If you want to, I'm game, but I was simply talking about the total issue at hand as it has been related by a number of people.
I didn't give the roads or the community college system a pass. I didn't even say that everything the government does is evil. Libertarians are minarchists not anarchists. I could explain in detail how I think that the transportation system could be privatized (and I mean real privatization, not just handing a rich guy a contract) as well as higher ed, which is largely a credentialist system, supported by the government. I never said that people who live off welfare are parasites. I never fault anybody for using a government program. My problem is with the government, not the people. As horrid as the system is now, you might as well get as much out of it as you can, so that it isn't a complete loss. I'll kiss a welfare recipient on the lips. Wasn't it you who said that I was making a "straw man argument?" We were discussing Ayn Rand and whether she belonged "in hell," but now you are trying to engage me in a debate in which you accuse me of saying things that I've never said, then say that I'm making a straw man argument.
Bulls**t. The quasi government banks Fannie and Freddie were the biggest arm of real estate securitization, and they existed with the explicit purpose of increasing the risk taking of banks. If they didn't encourage more risk taking, than they weren't doing what they were created to do. It was the federal Reserve who slashed interest rates in the wake of the Dot Com crash when interest rates were already historically low, and kept them low for far too long. Healthcare is expensive mostly because the government pumps excess liquidity into the system (they already pay 45% of healthcare costs) while protecting doctors from real competition from lower level healthcare providers and regulating the healthcare insurance market in a way that prices most poor people out of being able to afford it. That's government government government government. I don't see any free market here. All of the failures of the system that you've mentioned can be traced back to a government bungling things up.
I've always been on the bottom of the income latter. I've lived without health insurance most of my childhood. I don't know anyone who is that desperately poor outside of a handful of example. I lived in a two bedroom apartment with another roomate who was continuously out of work, while i was making barely above minimum wage myself. We lived fine! We lived lean, and we smoked weed everyday, but i don't know what percentage of the population was poorer than us. Maybe 2%? Maybe people who are as poor as us and had kids? Computers and internet aren't terribly expensive these days, but i don't know about these desparately poor people of whom you speak, because I have yet to meet anybody who was significantly poorer than I was when I was living with my mom (who was a single mother) in a town house while she made 700 dollars a month of income. Life is hard, and it ebbs and flows, but don't pull the "what about the REALLY poor" argument out at me, because I don't believe somebody (in america) was that much poorer than I was at certain times in my life. Being poor sucks compared to many alternatives, and you'll get no argument from me. My belief is that the government creates the poor to a large extent, and it is the poor who shoulder the burdens of the best laid plans of mice and men.
If you want to talk about the poorest people on earth and their relation to socialism, you should read the "The Mystery of Capital." It can be downloaded for free of Utorrent, and the author, who actually was an economic adviser to the government of Peru, was able to put his ideas into effect in a way that pulled people out of poverty in a way that traditional socialism never could. In most cases he found, it was the GOVERNMENT that was pricing people out of the legal sector of the economy (by trying to replicate our socialism) with permit laws and zoning restrictions, which destroyed the ability of the world's poor to create tradeable value. Oh they created value all right, as much as 9 trillion dollars of value by the author's estimate (a year 2000 estimate), but they were/are unable to tap into it, because it wasn't recognized in any "legal" way that could allow the property of the poor to live a double life as "capital" as it does in the modern nations.
I'll gladly give you links to any information you need. Cracked doesn't let me post them, but if you ask, we'll see what i can do for you.
When did I call anyone a slave? Man my posts have spelling and grammatical errors. Oh well, if you need clarification on something, just ask.
Well, the reason I thought you were adressing me is that I originally posted a random comment on a public forum in response to two people talking about Ayn Rand. I took the opportunity to voice my opinion on Ms. Rand and her writings and expected to leave it at that and move on. You posted a reply shortly thereafter. Perhaps I was mistaken in thinking you were adressing me, but maybe next time you should be clearer about who you're talking to.
Just to clarify, I don't think Ayn Rand or anyone else should burn in hell, mostly because I think hell is a childish fictional concept. Nor do I think she's "evil". Just hopelessly, hopelessly misguided, as are her staunch proponents.
And as far as you thinking I'm putting words in your mouth, I may have expressed myself poorly. Many of the arguments I'm making are based not only on things you have said, but on arguments I've heard from Libertarians and Rand disciples for years, such as the whole "parasites" thing. I apologize for that bit of confusion, which is entirely my fault.
That being said, I object to your characterization of my position as "purely emotional". It is, in fact, based on reading Rand's work and a brief flirtation with libertarianism I had when I was a young adult and still trying to figure out where I fit in politically. My opinion may not be yours, but it is an informed opinion nonetheless and as valid as yours is. Also, I shall not "keep it to myself" simply because a stranger on the internet doesn't like hearing it.
Trust me, whether you know it or not, there are people-hard working American people-who are much worse off than you. Maybe you've never seen it, but anecdotal evidence is not data. They exist, and if we as a nation ever hope to live up to the kind of standards that we love to espouse, we are going to have to start taking some responsibility for our fellow citizens. I'm sure you'd call that socialism, but to me it's simply living up to the ideals that we pretend to represent in this country.
I also find it interesting that you advocate getting as much as you possibly can out of the government, since that is precisely what the people who scream loudest about the evils of government accuse the lower-classes of doing. I know you have a job and I'm sure you work hard. Just remember that the anti-government hordes would like to see your head on a pike for such a statement.
Oh, and one nitpicky little thing. Read your own posts: "YOu just like the idea of every man being a slave to every man"
Anyway, it's obvious we're never going to change each others minds about this, but you seem like an okay guy, our differences notwithstanding. I actually enjoyed our little sparring match and I wish you no ill will.
When I said "every man being a slave to every man," i was speaking philosophically about a society in which everyone uses the government to violently coerce every man. I actually forgot about that comment. Oops.
Cut your s**t out both of you.
tkwelge go back to jacking off over Ayn Rand
AgentCoop You can't reason with a brick wall. No matter what you say in this game of chess he will just knock the pieces over and fly back to his flock to say he won, the sad part? He really thinks he wins. You just can't reason with the brainwashed. and one last thing tkwelge when she offers you the koolaid do us all a favor. Drink two servings
We actually had a good conversation, ass hat. I have yet to see how anybody has proven anybody "wrong." Maybe you can bring something intelligent to the conversation or f**k off.
I'm not even a huge ayn rand fan dick face. I've barely read any of her works, but I do know that she has never caused any harm to anybody, and encourages the individual human spirit. What a b***h, I know.
your name is "Stalker"
nobody is required to take your unnecessary moderating seriously
Hey tkwelge. Well reasoned both of u but I think agent cooper is right. I think that even if everything was privatized the way u suggested instead of just handing a nob a check. they would find a way to max their gains while minimize output. I think for a perfect state things would need to be balanced between the two systems. Government perhaps outsourcing to companies but much mor supervision, regulations, And profit regulation. Case in point: insurance preexisting conditions. My father had a preexisting condition and was denied life insurance. He died two years ago and my family has constantly struggled ever since. A company will not go under providing insurance to those people, especially if the executives realize that no one needs whatever astronomical salary they get to live comfortably. I mean seriously will their standard of life change dramatically if they earn 3 billion a year vs 33 billion a year? They could even add a cutoff, like once all children are of age cut the funds and still make life so much more bearable for millions of people. Well I think I got off topic but I hope the gist of what I'm saying gets through. Please forgive any spelling errors. Thanks
Brilliant.
ReplySo CavalierX, gonna go move to Costa Rica with Limbaugh? Oh, guess what? THEY HAVE NATIONAL HEALTH CARE!
ReplyAlso, this is called satire, you retards.
I hope Rush Limbaugh moves the f**k away. Fat f**king turd.
...I love how people are actually discussing health care reform seriously on a cracked site. hahaha...
ReplyAnyway, WONDERFUL, MR. BROCKWAY.
"“If I had it my way, I’d bring us back to the time where your vote and your policies were a private matter that you didn’t talk about in public because it was considered rude,” I replied."
"“I guess I just don’t really give a s**t about politics,” I admitted, “I, uh… I probably should have mentioned that earlier before wasting everybody’s time. My bad.”"
These are the two greatest sentences ever in the history of writing. Also completely true with how I feel. Whatever happens, happens. Something will be bad either way, not everyone will be pleased. I just ignore it and live, and enjoy the finer things in life, like sex, nature, and other stuff I can get for free.
Mr. Brockway, I salute you, sir.
Okay, somebody made a good point in another forum. They explained that the mandate wouldn't be unconstitutional if it was compared to the tax credits that people get for buying houses. This rationalization argues that the fine for not buying insurance isn't a fine, but a general tax increase that is rebated for those who choose to buy insurance. However, this is not the way the bill is written. The way that the bill is written, the mandate is a mandate that fines you for not engaging in an activity. The tax break for charitable donation, for example, is given after the fact, and the fine for not buying insurance is clearly written into the bill as a penalty for not buying insurance. I suppose it is all semantics, but if they try to argue that it is just a "tax credit for buying insurance" and not a "fine for not buying insurance," they will have to admit that the bill raises taxes, and not all on the rich either. This fine will largely be focused on young people like me who choose not to buy insurance simply because we'd never use it. Most wealthy people already have insurance. This goes against Obama's campaign promise not to raise taxes on the poor and middle class (or the young for that matter, who obama likes to pretend are always behind him).
ReplyAlso, we could point out that if they were looking to hand out tax breaks, they could have just given the tax breaks that employers receive for covering their employees healthcare directly to the workers and self employed. Basically, this whole bill is a way of increasing corporatism and the scope of government while trying to tip toe around the fact that that is what it is trying to do.
And if you cut out the double counting and back loaded spending, healthcare reform will most likely increase the deficit, when all reform could have been paid for with cuts to the trillions of dollars of wasteful spending that makes up the military (900 billion a year), SS and Medicare (1 trillion a year), and the wasteful public education system (another trillion which will increase to 1.5 trillion by 2015).
Something tells me that Obama will still call it a penalty and get it past the Supreme Court under the Interstate commerce clause, which will still create a terrible precedent. Maybe that was his plan all along.