5 Myths About the Military You Believe (Thanks to Movies)
Hopefully, if you're reading this article, your upbringing was relatively free of war. If that's the case, you probably got all of your information about the military from movies. But even accounting for what you already assumed was Hollywood bullshit (obviously war is not a nonstop action explosion festival), if you're like most people, you still have a grossly skewed idea about what life in the military is like. For instance, many of you think ...

I'll be blunt: Everything about boot camp in movies is wrong. At least, it's wrong today. What you find out in boot camp is that the heart of military life isn't killing bad guys, fulfilling your potential or being all you can be. It's uniform inspections.

And they almost never let us draw skulls on anything.
When it comes to this, it doesn't matter what service you join. For approximately the first two weeks of boot camp, you will do nothing but learn how to wear your uniform, iron your uniform, fold your uniform, stow your uniform and, if you're lucky, take out your uniform and iron it again.
How is it even possible to spend so much time on uniforms? Well, given that it's the heart of military life, letting your uniform deviate from the standard by a quantum measurement is basically like punching America in the face. When I was at boot camp, a drill sergeant there would use one of those laser pointers as a level to make sure that medals were mounted on our uniforms straight. It takes time and effort to learn to compete with lasers. We'd also learn stuff like how to repeatedly iron and starch between the buttonholes on our shirts. Apparently, some almost-noticeable lines tend to form there, and the rest of the world doesn't even know about it, but in the military, they could clearly cause a devastating loss of morale.

Look at this guy's ruffled lapels. No wonder he lost the war.
After those weeks, even when you think you're moving on to learning other things, you are still constantly preparing for the most important part: daily uniform inspections. But between those, you do get to learn other things. For example, how to stand at attention, which you wouldn't think would take that long. It's just standing, right? Well, I was failed once because one of my thumbs was resting slightly in front of the crease of my pants instead of behind it. Also rack inspections, where you learn how to make your bed again, and again, and again, and then one more time.
But what about the other shit, like the crazy drill sergeants who will drive you to suicide? Fortunately, these days at least, that position isn't staffed with people who have personality disorders. They're also much more limited in what they can do to correct recruits -- physical abuse, working people out too long, swearing and anything else you can imagine any self-respecting drill sergeant doing simply aren't allowed anymore. Of course, being drill sergeants, they find imaginative ways to correct you anyway, but it's going to be more along the lines of making you stand out in the middle of a field saluting squirrels.

"Just a few more hours and Sarge will let me pray for death."

When Maverick hops into his F-14, or Will Smith goes after a giant alien flying saucer in his F-18, what never makes it onto screen is the absolute shitload of tedious maintenance that goes on to make that possible. An older aircraft needs a mind-boggling 40 to 60 man-hours of maintenance per hour of flight. A newer aircraft like an F/A-18 will have "only" about six hours for every flight hour ... but that number goes up as the fleet ages.

Better join quick!
Try to picture a video game or an old G.I. Joe play set from your childhood that featured this (real) maintenance schedule: You wash the plane every 14 days and take the panels off and hand-wipe interior of the plane every 28 days. You do flight control maintenance every 56 days, and take everything apart once a year. And don't forget phase inspections for metal fatigue, the independent inspections by military higher-ups, the conditional inspections after the plane has had a hard landing, the engine inspections after every 150 and 300 flight hours, inspections of the flight recorder after every 10 flight hours ... and that's on a plane that's working perfectly. This isn't even touching on the time spent fixing shit that breaks.

The mechanics do the work, and the pilots get laid.
It's not just planes -- it's every piece of equipment. It all needs constant upkeep and babysitting. In the Navy, out of the 250 to 300 ships in the fleet, only a hundred are up and working at any one time. The rest are in maintenance. Generally, that's one year off for every six months of use. Our guns, too, are notorious for getting jammed easily in sand and need constant attention (good thing none of our wars are fought in deserts these days), and tank crews spend more time maintaining their vehicles than anything else.

"Jesus guys, did anyone not spill their drink in here? Slurpee Friday was the worst idea ever."
So even if servicemen and women are 1) serving during a war and 2) getting deployed to combat zones, the majority are in support roles. Not just fixing the aforementioned machinery, but cooking meals, driving trucks, trying to use the computers, trying to fix the computers, trying to put in orders for new computers and so forth.
In a combat zone like Iraq, for every one soldier whose job description includes combat, 2.5 people are in support positions doing all of the tedious but lifesaving work that makes his job possible. So if you're like the vast majority of those who serve, the rest of your life will most likely not be spent telling war stories, but rather explaining to that 15-year-old punk in Starbucks that you got the scar on your face from tripping over an unsecured air conditioning cable on the way to your bunk.

If First Blood, The Deer Hunter, Jarhead and countless other movies have taught us one thing, it's that every serviceman who has ever set foot in a war zone is just one combat flashback away from suicide, homelessness or violent murder. If you're lucky, he will just quietly drink himself to death. If you're not, he's gonna lay a beat-down on your ass, because he's having a violent flashback and thinks that you're the 'Cong.

Oh, with a C? Man, we got that war all wrong.
I understand that out-of-control people make for better drama. And it's not always even played for tragedy -- everybody loves the idea of a hero like Rambo who can flip out, wreck half a town and yet still be totally justified in doing so because of where he's been and what he's seen.
But while the public understands that most trips to Vegas do not end in wacky accidental marriages and that most FBI employees do not face off against hyperintelligent serial killers on a weekly basis, it's somehow become general knowledge that this movie image of veterans is pretty much spot-on. Maybe because when veterans groups try to raise awareness of post traumatic stress disorder, people think they're talking about the thing in the movie with the hallucinations and shooting sprees. They're not.

They almost never let us check out rocket launchers anyway.
First, let's get one thing out of the way right now -- PTSD is real, mental illness is a serious issue that should never be downplayed, and even one suicide is a tragedy. No one here is trying to say otherwise. But let's take a look at what doctors, not Hollywood, say about PTSD: The most common symptoms are disturbed sleep, memory problems and depression, not "violent rampages against the uncaring system that created you."
Do a small number of sufferers respond with violence or lawbreaking? Yes, but some people respond to getting cut off in traffic in the same way. Neither is common. PTSD might ruin your life, but chances are it won't make you a badass.

"Mitch, you've been a mess ever since you got back from the war. Please, if not for yourself, then for the people who love you, go on a cathartic homicidal rampage."
But here's the part that really crushes the Hollywood fantasy: In general, soldiers are actually as healthy mentally as the general population, and in some ways even healthier. In a recent article about military suicide, Army officials expressed worry over the fact that, after soldiers had endured a decade of grueling war and separation from their families, their suicide rate had reached that of the general population. That is, soldiers were in danger of committing suicide at the same rate as the general population which includes babies, loving grandmothers, the double-rainbow guy and others who are not generally known for their tendencies toward self-harm.
If you consider that the military is disproportionately made up of demographics that have always correlated with suicide -- young, male, and with easy access to guns -- the military actually comes out ahead. Then there's the fact that a recent Army study showed that 79 percent of Army suicides occurred when the soldier had either been deployed just once or not at all. In other words, repeated visits to combat zones somehow make you less likely to kill yourself.

"Hey, if I survived this ..."
"But wait," you say. "These are Gulf War vets! What about Vietnam vets like Rambo? Everybody knows that war was extra-traumatic and that they were horribly excluded from society." Well, the fact is that Vietnam vets are actually doing pretty well. If you're a Vietnam vet, you're less likely to be unemployed, more likely to have finished college and better off economically than the average nonveteran.

"Thanks, stolen communist gold!"
Not that we're trying to paint a too-pretty picture here. After all, another misconception is ...








While reading this I had flash backs of my basic training and deployment experiences as this article is spot on. I have heard BCT is a lot easier now as regs have chanced but I still think telling people that keeping their uniform perfect will be their biggest concern is a bad move as many DS are from the new-old Army and don't respect the new-new Army BCT style and sometimes stick to the old reg. Preparing for the worst and expecting nothing is what any new recruit should do- Ironing is not one of them.
ReplySounds fun, where do I sign up?
ReplyUniforms, marching, cleaning, and folding are much more about "attention to detail" than ceremony/tradition. Sorry you didn't get that message while serving
ReplyI totally agree. In military life attention to detail frequently means the difference between life and death, no matter where you serve. Dealing with the uniform is just one way to teach you this important skill.
"(good thing none of our wars are in the desert these days)" ahahahaha
ReplyThank god I couldn't pass the drug test.
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ReplyThe worst part of (Marine Corps.) Basic training was a mandatory knowledge test. The DIs ask you all of the +100 questions on the test 7 or 8 times a day, every day for about 2 months, as well as giving you the actual written test you would be taking near the end of basic over a dozen times. They dummy profed this thing, but somehow, somone would miss one question (the DIs wanted %100 from everyone) and then they made us do another practice test. I literally asked a DI if I could just do push-ups instead of answering questions and he said "no"
ReplyThe whole ironing thing "regardless of branch of service" is pretty inaccurate. I never once ironed a uniform in basic, and only had it inspected a few times (I've been in the Army for over a decade). Based off of this assumption and the use of "shops" along with an Air National Guard reference and a focus on the lack of combat while deployed I'm going to assume this guy was Air National Guard. Nothing wrong with that but he should in no way be considered the resident expert on the military.
ReplyHe's right, basic is nothing like "Full Metal Jacket," but only in a sense that they can't actually touch you these days, and you actually spend a lot more time sitting around and waiting to train (since it takes time to run hundreds of dudes through anything). Very little ironing and a lot of learning how to kill though.
Other thing he is way off on is the lack of combat while deployed. Sure, probably for the Air Force most of the time spent downrange may be spent on maintenance. If you are in the Army and find yourself in a COP in Afghanistan, yeah you'll spend a lot of time doing maintenance, but it will be part of your daily plan, just like combat patrols are.
Really a lot of your military experience depends pretty heavily on what MOS (job) you take, what unit you go to, and what missions your unit is deployed in support of.
I'm not knocking the Air National Guard or any other branch, same team, just different jobs. But "The military isn't like that at all it's like THIS cause I'm a universal expert," he seems to be implying here is a pretty vile overstatement here, when he could just say, "There are lots of jobs in the military beyond infantryman or fighter pilot."
I wish that we didn't need a military. I wish we could all just get along but people are stupid and dangerous so until we learn to get along we will still need one.
Reply Hide All See All 6 RepliesMost countries use their military almost exclusively for disaster relief. Too bad you selfish hippies won't tell us stupid, dangerous dumb-dumbs how to pacify nature with Phish and filthy hair.
@BattleTurkey and why exactly can we use only military for disaster relief? can't we just send some humanitarian organizations there? at least they won't be swinging around guns.
wanting people to stop killing each other makes you a selfish hippy does it? well then i have a feeling the vast majority of people, and even many people in the army itself, are selfish hippies. but yes, the military is mainly involved in disaster relief. you know, they shoot earthquakes and drop bombs on volcanoes. necessary requirements of disaster relief... or not...
@nzall and kierannee: There's a good reason that we would rather use the military for disaster relief instead of a humanitarian organization. Most disaster relief areas are inherently dangerous, and sometimes require equipment that is a bit too expensive for said organizations to afford.
Look at all these assholes. They're probably the same people that think soldiers are murdering psychopaths. That's what most liberals think. They say our armed forces are all sick fucks who enjoy killing or something. When I came back a few months ago someone threw something at me and called me a child murderer because I was in full uniform. He had an obama 08 sticker on his car. I don't like fighting anymore than the next guy, but most people seem to believe I like killing people because I'm paid to do so, and in my experience, most of the people who think that are hippies and liberals.
Uh because other people will be there "swinging around guns"! You have any idea how often relief workers get kidnapped or food convoys get raided!? Yeah send unescorted trucks loads of food to Somalia, Iraq, Afaganistan, Africa etc. and lets see who gets fed! Hint: Its the guys with guns!
Army infantry guy here. I'll agree with a lot of the other parts, but I've never had to iron my uniform in basic. Thank the gods for that too, because in those first two weeks, that uniform will be crusted in mud at a molecular level.Sure, your class As (those silly dark green suits they make you wear) have to be in tip-top form, for like that one week at the end of basic you have to wear them before gladly hiding them away never to be seen again except for when an officer gets a big up his ass once a year. Also, they may advertise the whole 'our drill sargeants are a lot less crazy and won't actually touch the soldiers' thing, but in practice, there's no one around to stop them. Sure, you have to stand at attention for say, 20 minutes 4 times a day, but the most common positions are push-up, running, and the damn prone shooting position, at which point you'll be damn happy to stand still. But then, I'm infantry, the guys who's main job is to do the actual combat and grunt work so maybe it works different for other MOS's. Not trying to discourage anyone from enlisting, just be patient, do what you're told, and do your best and you'll do fine, just saying it's not exactly the world's most proficient laundromat.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesAnother thing is, yeah, in a lot of cases, yeah, a lot of us will spend so much time with each other the sound of each other's breathing will make us want to punch each other in the face, but we'll also take a bullet and go drinking with that same person. Sort of like a sibling relationship. One where you want to see as little of each other as possible whenever you're sober and have the chance.
I did infantry basic at ft. benning in 2006. And we definitely had some crazy abusive drill sergeants. Half the barracks below me was on crutches after only 6 weeks (20+ people). That's not an exaggeration. They had no qualms about working you till you died and then more. And suicide attempts weren't that uncommon. I knew 2 guys personally who tried.
By 2006, three years into the Iraq War, I imagine the Army had figured out that they'd better put more boots in crutches so they'd have less amputees in the combat zone.
I was pretty much about to write this exact thing. I dunno what branch Hiller served in (I was US Army, I'm betting he's AF - I've heard they do a lot of ironing...) but I don't think we even had access to an iron in BT. Our BDU's were sent to a laundry service. And as you said, who needs starch when your pants will stand up on their own because they're so caked in mud! I recall my drill sergeants being plenty crazy, and in fact one was suspended for two weeks for abuse (rumor had it he was going through a divorce and was taking it out on us.) He came back after two weeks, and was only slightly less sadistic. I recall spending more time in the "front leaning rest" position than I did at attention, and I also recall being bitten by fire ants was not a good enough reason to deviate from that position. I recall throwing up on ruck marches, from exhaustion, and having a sinus infection that was so bad my tear ducts were leaking yellow, and I was still required to participate in every physical activity of the day. I DO recall returning from a day's work to find every mattress in the place tossed to the floor because the beds weren't made correctly, but that's about all I agree with. And for the record, my MOS was linguist, so it's not just the ground pounders.
They missed the myth that the US needs some huge army that is larger then any other foreign armed force in the world to expand its imperialism. We should dismantle most of the armed forces. Withdraw it from all foreign nations. The US should be a nation of peace. Not war and aggression.
Reply Hide All See All 7 RepliesI am going to occupy your nonsense of a comment with a - pfft.
Wow so naieve. If you can't defend an interest then you're going to lose that interest. The US sucks at respecting the sovereignty of other nations, but if it wasn't the US being that way someone else would. You think if Iran could threaten the US with sanctions/ military action if the US was tying to develop a nuclear weapon they wouldn't? Its a brutal system of survival of the fittest, always has been probably always will be. The US just happens to be on top right now.
f****n hippie
Actually your view is generally SUPPORTED in the movies. So what the f**k are you talking about exactly? Oh, you just wanted to recitate some trite Fonda-esque bullshit that everyone on this board had to listen to for hours on end in college? Imperialists generally start empires. As a rule. But don't let me get in the way of your good old fashion propoganda.
The US should be nuked from coast to coast.
In fact we don't have the world's biggest military, and half (if not more) of our active servicemen are involved in aid and other humanitarian efforts. Imperialism my ass, you glib RhetoriCunt.
The only person with a bigger military is china. Then Russia and North Korea are right after us. I don't agree with mr retard up here, and I agree with the "fonda-esque" comment, which is exactly what it is.
at aussie basic, nature itself will try to murder you.
ReplyGo to the 82nd... You'll be smoked til you puke your guts out, and generally treated like shit. This is not boot, but your regular unit.
Reply4,3, and 1 are completely true. 2 is mostly accurate. But, 5 is so retardedly inaccurate that it completely ruined this whole article for me. I've been shoved, cursed at, yelled at, and smoked shitless. And uniform is an important part of basic, but it's not the most important. We learned real s**t too. This is a fail.
ReplyIt depends on who your instructors are. Some follow the new rules, some don't. They prefer the old-fashioned training experience.
all so true it gave me flashbacks. cept for the war thing, since i never went.
Replymilitary motto: "hurry up and wait"
When I was in the army, we had the three T's; "Things Take Time."
My dad was in the army and he loves telling me his old war stories mostly about the stupid funny s**t he did. He told me only idiots join the army and when I asked him if I should join the military he said "hell no!." A funny story he told me once was that while in boot camp they sent a pilot from the airforce to give him and the others in the army a pep talk but the guy had no idea how much easier he had it in basic training so he just pissed everyone off by saying how "hard" he had it."Really they make you guys run six miles?" "I only had to run 4 miles"
ReplyWhoever wrote this was obviously Air Force. In Marine Corps boot camp, while technically illegal, they still hit, curse, and definitely "work you out till you're too tired." I went in 2003, so it can't have changed that much.
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesThere wasn't hitting but yeah, Full Metal Jacket was pretty accurate. If you showed weakness, they would zero in and push you until you either broke, or got stronger. I went in 2000.
In the Norwegian Army, they never hit us, but what they did was arguably even worse; once, during winter, another platoon had to sleep in tents inside the camp because they weren't deemed good enough to properly clean their barracks. You would literally walk past their tent camps inside the larger camp on your morning trip to the Mass hall.
Another thing they did was the good ol' collective punishment. One man late? Then everyone straight down and stand in ready-position (the position where you are "up" in a push-up) for as long as the sergeant saw fit. One man shaven too poorly? Everyone hold their rifle out with one straight arm. Completely still. Until it burns in your every muscle. One man not succeeding a flawless rifle field strip and reassembly? Every man down in the snow and practice critical jams until your balls freeze to the ground. And if you were the person who was responsible for everyone being punished, you felt like the worst piece of scum in the world - and everyone hated you. (well, at least for an hour afterwards. Repeat offenders got hated longer)
Nah, hitting soldiers is for the Sergeant without imagination.
Our camp was at the German and French border inside the "black forest", in middle of the nights they would wake us up, to salute only wearing our boxers during winter for a few hours just to see who can stand still... Some guys just lost consiousness, some had froze bite, frozen nails etc...
Or making holes when the ground was frozen and under a lot of snow...
I was in a semi-disciplinary (dunno how to say that in proper english) unit in the french army tho
My guess was AF, as well. I was Army. I laughed out loud when I read that they supposedly don't curse anymore. I guess my DI's didn't get the memo...my cursing vocabulary grew by leaps and bounds in Basic!
Only retards join the military.
Reply Hide All See All 6 Repliesyou are a faggot fyi
Asshat.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell.
Ive never joined any armed service. I've thought about It for the discipline but holy hell I can't believe you'd say that. That Orwell quote is my feeling exactly. I may not support what the higher ups have our troops doing but I'd do anything to support the troops. They're the ones who let me jack off everywhere and read s**t all day without fear
@Lemongrab:
It is you who is retarded. f****n hippie!
There is some validity to Lemongrab's argument - we currently have western countries contemplating paying women half the average wage to stay and raise their children, and actually doing things like governments campaigns against smoking and for exercise, moving away from foreign oil imports for raw materials and energy production, banning medical experiments on animals and condemning 1% of the population for all the economic woes of the world.
Yet hundreds of thousands of people from those same countries went and wrecked the one country that did all those things first, 70 years ago that woudl have put us miles ahead . . . at some cost I imagine.
So, maybe that was stupid of us to reject Hitler entirely.
A book I read about the military said that they were so serious about the bed making thing that many recruits would make up their beds perfectly and then sleep on the floor underneath it rather than mess it up. True or false?
Reply Hide All See All 8 RepliesTrue.
But we only did that in basic training (and we would usually sleep on top of the covers so we only had to do some tidying up in the morning) and when we were in the first phases of military job training. After that we could use our own covers and such. So it's not like a way of life or anything, just a period of (in my life) six or so months.
People will do anything to save a few minutes of sleep in the morning :)
For me, it was false. We definitely slept under the covers. The DIs made sure of it. We then were all made to get up at the same time. There was no catching a few extra minutes of sleep. Full Metal Jacket was actually very accurate about Marine Corps Boot Camp. The changes are that they can't beat you like they used to, but cussing was constant, yelling, "incentive training" (push ups, mountain climbers, jumping jacks, etc etc until you could barely move) were all a regular part of life. I went through in 2000.
True. We did it in the 82nd Airborne. But I was 11B so I don't know about the non-combat units. In Jump School, after reveille, shaving, dressing for PT, we would try to get a few minutes extra sleep by lying under a bottom bunk. We would claim that we were tightening the sheets and blanket if caught by a BlackHat. They never believed it of course.
Nobody slept on the floor. But as Megan said, people would sleep over the blankets.
I did actually sleep on the floor once. In full combat gear (minus rifle, of course) no less. Never again, though.
True! i did more than once !!
Ditto what Megan said. True, except that its usually sleeping on top of the blankets, not on the floor.
The "one deployment, go home," is from Vietnam. That's pretty much what happened to draftees. The draft was unpopular with the public, and there were huge numbers of draft dodgers, so to make it as palatable as possible, draftees who served in Vietnam during the later part of the war, when the protests at home were in high gear, pretty much went through training, did a year in country, and were done.
ReplyNow, some would volunteer for more, in order to qualify for bonuses, and people who were volunteers to begin with served longer than one year. Some career soldiers and officers served multiple tours in Vietnam, and then were still in the military, so went on to peacetime deployments at US bases, or bases in places like Germany or Korea.
But the quick duty, and then it's over, was an impression people got during Vietnam. There haven't been draftees since then, but the two recent wars have had massive mobilizations of reserve forces (including National Guards), giving casual observers the impression of a quick deployment, and return to regular life. It hasn't been since WWII that the US entry into a war inspired a massive move of the country's population to enlist in the regular Army (not the reserves), and stay deployed for the duration.
The western military themselves are mostly against the draft or even temporary compulsory military service, for a number of practical reasons - Mainly the waste of resources giving an unwilling person what is practically a degree-level education, and the discipline problem of unwilling people having to serve.