6 Iconic Movie Leaders (Who Aren't Fit To Lead A Parade)
It would be a hell of a lot easier to get motivated at work if you had a leader like, say, William Wallace from Braveheart to shout motivational slogans in your ear. That's why movies include those inspirational leaders; it's everyone's fantasy to live in a world where the people at the top are competent and inspirational.
And then there are the characters who somehow wound up at the head of a whole bunch of people despite not being fit to lead a parade. These are those guys.

The Spartans had a pretty good plan going: Hold off the Persians at the strategically perfect Gates of Thermopylae until the Council got off their fatasses and sent the rest of the army to bail them out. So when Quasimodo Uglius Muchus showed up out of nowhere and told Leonidas about a secret path that could ruin their whole strategy, that could have been a problem.

Luckily, he was on the side of the good guys. All he wanted to do was help fight the Persians to restore honor to his outcast father. But in a move that was epic both in douchebaggery and short-sightedness, Leonidas turned him away, spouting some bullshit about how the hunchback would weaken the strict formation of the phalanx.

Look, we're no experts on military tactics or anything but it seems to us like you could just place the dude slightly outside the phalanx, have him kill a few Persians, soak up a lot of arrows, and die a hero's death. Everybody's happy.
Hell, it's not like the Spartans actually fought in a neat formation anyway. A few seconds into the battle it turns into a free-for-all where everybody starts leaping around and trying to figure out how to kill each enemy in a cooler way than the last.

Instead Leonidas tells him that he's too weak to fight and that his father will remain dishonored, which in Spartan terms would be like if someone called you at a funeral and questioned your parentage while simultaneously making sweet love to your mother. The double-whammy of an insult drove the hunchback directly to Xerxes, where he immediately sold out the good guys.
But even if that nonsense about the phalanx was right, what Leonidas actually did about the secret path was even worse: absolutely nothing. No wall of boulders to block it off, no traps to decimate the Persian troops, not even guards to send warning back to the troops. Look, even if the hunchback hadn't made like Lando Calrissian, Persian scouts might have found the passageway all by themselves. Instead of making literally any effort to stop them, Leonidas pretty much just forgets about the whole thing. We never even see him ask about the path's location--for all we know, he has no idea where the damn thing actually is.
There's a line between heroically facing death and actively courting it; Leonidas sprinted over that line and never looked back.

Specifically, he first sprinted in fast motion, then slow motion, then fast motion again.

Hoosiers, where Gene Hackman leads a team of white, small town underdogs to a state basketball championship, may be one of the best sports films of all time. But when you get right down to it, the head honcho at the center of the plot should never have been let anywhere near a basketball court, let alone made a coach.

We could point out the obvious stuff, the way Coach Dale throws temper tantrums and gets ejected every time a call doesn't go his way, or hiring the town drunk as assistant coach because he seems to like watching basketball a hell of a lot, despite the fact that that describes literally every sports fan on the planet. But there's a basic problem with his strategy, and you don't need a detailed understanding of basketball to see it.

Coach Dale stresses fundamentals, and only fundamentals. He has his players adopt a slow, defense-oriented style of play that would be absolutely ingenious if they were facing a bunch of senile, paraplegic grandmothers. They weren't; they were playing against deeper teams, with superior athletes, who had been practicing just as much and with better equipment.

And the occasional teenwolf.
So what advantage did his team have?
Underdogs win in the real world all the time, but it's almost always because they took risks that paid off. They don't have a choice. You can look at the last Super Bowl, where the favored Colts were criticized for playing it safe, while the underdog Saints turned the game on a risky onside kick after half time. Or there's this awesome example of a girl's basketball team who consistently beat hugely favored opponents via the utterly insane strategy of devoting the whole team to stopping the opponents' inbounds pass. It's the same in sports as it is on the battlefield or the business world--if you're are at a disadvantage to your opponent, you have to pull out all the stops and force them to make a mistake.

Of course, in the film, everything completely turns around when star player Jimmy Chitwood decides to join the team. Thing is, though, Dale had pretty much ignored him for all this time, and he definitely didn't win the kid over with his coaching style, so we can only assume Chitwood just got fed up of Dale's shitty brand of basketball and decided to show him how it's really done.
All the players suddenly start listening to Jimmy and not Dale, and their strategy completely changes--as shown by the fact that they start actually making baskets and winning games--until they wind up State Champs. Jimmy was the Michael Jordan to Coach Dale's Phil Jackson. Every coach looks like a genius when you've got a guy who can score any time he wants.

As the Base Commander at the Top Gun training facility, Viper is undoubtedly one heck of a pilot. But if he was any good at commanding, he would have kicked out Tom Cruise's Maverick the first chance he got.

To put it simply, Maverick was the worst possible soldier ever, as he wouldn't follow orders at all and always did his own thing--heck, it's right there in his name. "Hold up, Cracked," you say. "That was the whole point! Jerry Bruckheimer's heroes are always loose cannons, like the cops in Bad Boys! There's always an authority figure who lets them get away with it because they get the job done!"
There's a difference here. Those guys weren't in a job where one wrong move could, at best, wreck $38 million worth of high-tech aircraft, or at worst, accidentally start World War III. So here's Maverick repeatedly questioning the authority of his instructors and being insubordinate, getting his teammates and himself "killed" multiple times in mock battles, and clearly putting the lives of, well, everyone on planet Earth at risk every time he took to the air with live ammunition and Russians on his radar screen. And all he gets are a series of stern warnings.

But how do you enforce a man who doesn't play by the rules?
Incidentally, this is the freaking military we're talking about here. That whole insubordination thing is no laughing matter: Being contemptuous or disrespectful "in language or deportment toward a warrant officer, noncommissioned officer, or petty officer while that officer is in the execution of his office" is actually legitimate grounds for a court martial in the Navy.

It's cool. This is America.
If Viper needed any more convincing that Maverick was the wrong man for the job, the fucker manages to crash the previously-mentioned 38 million dollar plane and simultaneously kill one of his fellow aviators during a training exercise. Maverick then falls into deep depression--he clearly can't deal with death; not a good thing for a soldier. Viper's attempt to console Maverick is even worse: He tells the kid that the Navy covered up his dad's death, which would logically result in Maverick getting pissed at the Navy for ruining his dad's life and leaving.

Instead he somehow gets his shit together, graduates, gets into a single battle and then decides to be a flight instructor. This not only means that Viper couldn't even motivate him enough to be an actual goddamn fighter pilot, but now Maverick gets to teach a bunch of impressionable young aviators tactics that will get them all killed. Maybe this is why now we make sure to fight all of our wars against enemies who don't have planes.








Yet another thing 300 ruined... in the real battle, there was actually a group of Phocians waiting on that path... Unfortunately, farther down that path was the road to their village, so they basically all just kind of fled and hid in their village and the Persians just kind of continued on their way.
ReplyHaving the terminator expose Skynet on the news wouldn't guarantee that the government would stop the program. It would just make some protestors. The government would say "Screw you! We're making Terminators! Besides... Now we know the dangers, so we won't make the same mistakes!" And they'd make Skynet anyway, thinking they've got everything under control...
ReplyWanting to see a Terminator in sunglasses IS a valid excuse.
ReplyLeonidas had the other greeks guard the secret path, it's briefly mentionned in the movie. Do something about that ADD.
ReplyAs for turning down the hunchback, it's a dick move, but it's one he had to make; not for the military reasons he gives (that was saving face) but for cultural reasons: Sparta hated the s**t out of the disabled.
Not to mention the hunchback's mother would of killed him the moment he was born. Now doesn't that just leave you with a warm fuzzy feeling inside?
Yep, #6 is just awful even without going into the inaccuracies of the movie. He did indeed send soldiers to guard the path. He was in fact actively courting death, though of course he wanted to take as many Persians with him as he could. Saying anything else would be going into, like, facts and stuff, which don't really have anything to do with the movie.
Not "melt the T-1000", Arnold was a T-101. So is my johnson, or something
Reply@#6: No one listens to you if you are ugly.
Replycan you really put leaders who pulled those stunts in real life on this list? couldn't you find people who aren't famous for the crappy leadership abilities?
ReplyCome to think of it, the plot of terminator makes no sense. I never bothered to think about it, I always just watched it as it was. Now that it's brought up, if you have to send someone back to make sure your born, you were never born in the first place. This could only be explained as some messed up multi-verse where one starts it off in another. I don't know, it just doesn't make sense.
ReplyIt's the old temporal loop paradox. Acion A in the future/present via time travel caused Result B, which in turn caused Action B to have to be done in the present/past, resulting in Result A, which allows Action A to happen.
This is a common science fiction scenario. Perhaps an easier to understand example would be in Futurama where Fry's messed up brainwaves are a result of him having gone to the past and having sex with his grandma, thus becoming his own grandpa.
Often it's a cop-out explanation for the origins of something that the writers were too lazy to write a real origins story for. Temporal paradoxes don't really make much sense, unless you subscribe to the idea of fate.
Actually, all the machines had to do was go back one further generation. Wipe out Sarah Connor's mother say. No Sarah, no John. Problem solved, and the technology of the 1950's really couldn't have stopped a killer robot.
I really don't think this guy really researched anything about the Spartans or the battle of Thermopylae.
Reply Hide All See All 5 RepliesI''m thinking he means the movie version, and not the real life version.
he was talking about the movies because all of these are movies it wouldnt make sense if that one wasnt but if the writer wasnt an idiot he would have realized that the movie was a bad version of how it happened in real life
Hey now that I think about it, Gene Hackman wasn't really the coach of a 1950's high school basketball team either...
that may be true but none the less, 300 people standing in the way of an army did happen
I didn't know so much fail could be crammed into this few comments.
In the movie, Leonidas makes a ridiculously stupid error of judgment concerning the hunchback, and another regarding the pass. Whether or not these two things happened in real life doesn't really matter, folks. The title of the article is 6 Iconic MOVIE leaders. In the MOVIE, Leonidas was a complete idiot. That's what we're talking about here.
/facepalm
Just a correction. In the movie, Leonidas DID send people to guard the goatpath. Phocians, or however they're spelled, he sent them. Now, if they're useless, that's another story, but he did assign them to guard the goat path.
ReplyEven simpler? At the end of the first movie Linda Hamilton could have just NOT NAMED HER UNBORN SON JOHN!!!!
ReplyThat wouldn't actually work. Because, then the machines would be looking for the name of her son. The existence of John and the resistance depends upon the actions of the first movie having taken place.
I'm sure it was stated somewhere previously, but it bears repeating:
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesMaverick was a sailor. Everyone in the Navy is a sailor.
Army: Soldier
Air Force: Airman
Navy: Sailor
Marine Corps: Marine
Coast Guard: Coast Guardsman
They were soldiers in the sense that they were part of the military and HAVE to follow the orders of their superior officers as long as those orders aren't blatantly putting them in danger(peacetime) or against their branches code of conduct.
@Lain - that's like saying (if you'll apologize the crappy analogy) that everyone in a hospital is a doctor, because they all wear gloves and practice disease control, MDs, Nurses, and janitors are all doctors!
I'm not in the military; I know several people who are, and I've found they're picky about being called soldier simply because of certain shared practices. So no, they're not soldiers in the sense they follow military doctrine, though (assuming someone whose served doesn't correct me) you can say they're military guys.
Actually, the Navy has three separate designations: Seaman, Airman, and Fireman. Maverick was an Airman, until he went to OCS and became a commissioned officer, at which point he was neither, you could refer to him as simply Lieutenant, or in this case say that he was a poor officer. Not soldier.
Maverick was not a sailor, he was a naval airman.
Leonidas sent a thousand or so athenian soldiers up the goat pass to guard it but the ran away when they heard there was going to be a fight.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesAnd the Greeks ultimately drove the Persians out of Hellenes because the rest of them were smart enough to regroup as the Persians pushed northward, rather than stay with the Spartans and Thespians and throw all their lives away for some stupid code of honor. It's probably also worth noting that Athens united Greece and made Sparta its b***h for several decades after the war.
The Athenians and their allies only won because the Spartans made the Persian army waste resources and gave the Athenian navy enough time to make the Persian navy the Elmer Fudd to their Buggs Bunny.
The only reason that the Spartans are Thermopolyae lasted as long as they did was that the Athenian navy was busy schooling the Persian navy a short distance away. Had they not been there, the Persians would have just landed a few thousand soldiers behind the Spartans and not needed the "secret" path. Overall, when you look at Leonidas's behavior, it's hard to interpret (historical, not movie) decisions as anything other than a deliberate sacrifice for having killed the Persian messengers earlier.
Incidentally, had the Greeks listened to Sparta, they would have withdrawn everything to the Isthmus of Corinth. Which seems sort of stupid when your enemy has ships, but that's just me. The Athenians literally tricked the others into fighting at Salamis.
Too lazy to rebuke any of the others (and I didn't read most of them, and the one on Leonidas was spot-on anyway), but I WILL have to hit you guys up on John Connor.
ReplyFirst you state the reason he sends his own dad back in time and then you COMPLETELY IGNORE IT. What reason is that? Time paradoxes and existence flushing itself down the toilet. I know it was a bad movie, but T3 is there for a reason, and that reason is "Changing the past means paradoxes, and we just can't wrap our brains around it yet, so let's make sure that this crap happens anyway so that the first two movies are justified."
Connor obviously remembered what happened as a kid and couldn't change a thing lest he turn the entire franchise into a much less existential version of Donnie Darko, but with the feared results actually happening.
Weird guy wearing bunny ears: "Two good movies... one "screw it"-motivated film... one tirade from Christian Bale... that... is when the world... will end."
John Connor at age 3: "Wanna play blocks?"
Prof X can't read Logan's MEMORIES; that doesn't say he can't get a good idea of his core personalities. By the presumptions made about telepathy by Rhine and other researchers, some telepaths might be able to read certain kinds of thoughts. Xavier, being the most powerful telepath, might well be able to read all portions of the typical brain,but who knows what Logan's own mutant factor does to his brain cells? There is also controversy as to whether or not a telepath could read anything that the subject cannot recall anyway.
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesThe thing ot remember is that, although X created the team to fight "evil" mutants, he is not a military man or a cop. His goal is peaceful intervention when possible. Such a moralist would indeed refrain from eavesdropping on other people's thoughts except when necessary. Nor does he use Cerebro for party games or popping peoples' brains.
Being unable to walk, he's kind of a liability in actual battles. The man knows not to get in the way.
...did you really just cite pseudoscientific speculation as if it were fact? ballsy move, man.
That and the fact that he's proven on multiple occasions that it's impossible, or damn near, for him to bring himself to kill another living being. Killing is kind of a no-no for the X-Men.
Killing is only a no-no for any of the X-Men named Charles Xavier.
Killing a named bad guy is a no no for the Xmen, killing literally thousands of innocent people is not against their policy however.
In the case of Leonidas (movie version), he was dumber than a post. In reality, there's reason to think that the move was mostly a suicide mission in the most literal sense: the Spartans really *had* killed a Persian messenger and they felt that they needed a blood sacrifice to atone. Spartans only knew one religion: battle, so that was that. We'll never know for certain what was on his mind, but I think that the case was pretty convincing. (The movie also ignores the fact that the Athenian navy was play 10 kinds of hell with the Persians a short way away the whole time, scoring underdog victories repeatedly and generally f**king the Persian s**t up. And while the movie makes a big deal of Platea, the last great battle of that war, it entirely ignores the real turning point: Salamis. But that's not sexy, evidently.)
ReplyProfessor X may have some excuses for stupid behavior. We don't know how many people he can read at once, for example, or how many people he might be monitoring. (He might, for example, keep a constant "eye" on the presidents/PMs of several countries. He seems to be aware of the assassination attempt on the US president pretty fast. If that's the case, people nearer him whom he already knows might be less important to monitor.) We also know that he lied to Wolverine, it's stated in the movie. He *did* read Logan's mind reasonably well, but he thought that Wolverine needed to figure it out himself. (Magneto says exactly this in the second movie.)
This doesn't excuse all of his oversights, of course.
There was also the fact that the Spartans were leading 5,000 or so allied Greeks in battle, which the movie just barely touches on with those dumbasses who don't know how form a phalanx despite being ancient Greeks. Leonidas probably stayed at Thermopylae to cover the retreat of the rest of the soldiers so they could fight another day, apart from the whole "death with honor" thing.
It's really fun to read "I'll just go over there and punch the bad guy!" In Patrick Stewart's voice.
Replyadr
"my post-sex pee stream forked in half..."
You are judging Leonidas, a man from the 5th century BC by 21st century standards? Has it ever crossed your mind that if Ephialtes were given a position in the phalanx he would have slowed down Leonidas' men. They would have been to concerned with protecting the hunchback to fight against Xerses goons. The war would have beeen lost.
ReplyMaybe you should have read the article, eh? PUT EPHIALTES IN FRONT OF THE PHALANX! You apparently missed that part. The hunchback is killed, dies with honor, Spartans proceed as per usual. Additionally, he wouldn't have slowed down crap. As the article notes, after the initial attack the Spartans broke ranks and basically did their own thing. They weren't judging a 5th century warlord by 21st century standards; they were judging a fictional character by logical standards.
problem is, the movie messes s**t up.
You NEVER broke rank in a spartan phalanx.
Why? you broke rank, and you sprouted fletchings.
There's a reason why the spartans spent EVERY single day training, and every once in a while, when they got bored, declared war on the other city states of greece:
while training will make you perform better, unless you test yourself in real world conditions, you wouldn't know if it works.
the spartans used wars like oral exams.
300 is f*cking stupid, you mathmeticly can't lose a war/battle if you outnumber the enemy a 35,000 to one and if they have sticks and you have gun powder... YOU CANT LOSE IF YOU HAVE GUNPOWDER! Has history not proven that before? :@ sorry guys, nerd rage.
Reply Hide All See All 10 RepliesWell, I suppose it depends on how much gunpowder you have and how well you use it...
Oh, yes you can.
The whole point of Thermopylae was that the Persian Army was forced into a bottleneck. Also, the Spartans weren't aiming to actually win the battle, all they wanted to do was survive long enough for Greece to organize an effective army, or move more troops into the area (which they couldn't do for various reasons.
300 was based on a true story and followed it semi accurately. The thing they forgot was the Athenian navy wrecking face on an epic proportion.
Well the Spartans wouldn't have known how much Persian ass the Athenian navy was kicking on account of the fact that it was what should have been a baptism by fire in the best case scenario and a complete defeat in the worst by way of the vastly numerically superior Persian navy.
When the Mongols tried to invade j*pan in 1300 they brought gunpowder along with grenades and rockets from China...the Samurai handed them their asses.
Sssoooo...you're wrong.
*edit* When the mongols tried to invade in THE 1300's...1270 or so.
lol...I keep putting 1300...what I mean is the 13th century.
My fingers are getting it twisted up from my mind.
@Paytience
A large factor of the failure of the Mongol empire's invasion of j*pan are the very fortunate (for the j*panese) typhoons that show up every time the mongols tried to invade. Historians speculate that the invasion force may have lost up to 75% of their total numbers due to shipwrecks. That's actually when the term "kamikaze" (divine wind) originated. So the samurai simply got lucky, their tactics at the time were actually completely obsolete when compared to mongol methods. But they took down notes after seeing the mongols in action, and it transformed the way wars were fought in j*pan.
It doesn't matter the circ*mstances, the statement was "YOU CANT LOSE IF YOU HAVE GUN POWDER" I was just pointing out that he was wrong.
The mongols had explosive weaponry and lost.
It's also a very similar situation actually to Thermopylae (the movie version anyway) the world's dominant force of the time attacking a better equipped force with better training and superior positioning who also benefited from inclement weather. The gun powder parallel is only a movie thing in the case of Thermopylae though.
However, it wasn't just the typhoons...it was the Mongol's inability to take the beaches due to the Samurai's speed in battle.
To the losing sticks v gunpowder thing; Shaka Zulu would disagree with you. As would the British who fought him.
Actually, what everybody seems to forget about the Terminator movies is what Kyle Reese said to the psychaitrist at the police station. "It wouldn't matter if Skynet killed John in the future, because we ALREADY WON." As for the time machine, Skynet built one, that's it, just one, and it was destroyed when Kyle slipped through "No one's going home, no one (else) is coming through". The T2 movie (that everyone thinks is the best one for some strange reason) tried to validate itself in the extended version (including a deleted scene with Kyle talking to Sarah), by stating that Skynet sent the t-1000 back in time with the t-800, but they both ended up in two different time periods. Why Skynet didn't send the t-1000 in the first one? Because hollywood didn't have the special effects yet. Another plot hole of the T2 movie: since Skynet was able to send two terminators back in time right before the original time machine was destroyed by the human resistance, when did John have time to capture and reprogram a terminator to protect his younger self in what would seem a split second? IMO, the first Terminator and Terminator: Salvation are the only two movies in the franchise that actually made sense.
ReplyWhile I agree that there were many flaws with T2, I cannot take you seriously as you claim that Terminator: Salvation makes sense.