7 (Stupid) People Who Sued the Scientific Method
Scientists study for years to give us advances like computers. Lawyers sue scientists on behalf of people who can't operate computers, earn ten times as much and, in doing so, raise horribly relevant questions about which group is actually smarter. Here we see seven of the worst offenses of law against science:

Walter Wagner enjoyed a lot of media attention a few months ago, bringing a lawsuit against the Large Hadron Collider which he claims will destroy the world. While Wagner repeatedly pointed out that he's a scientist, he failed to mention that he's a botanist, also known as a "plant scientist," in the public circle (and "gay scientist" in the scientific one). Now, while we're sure Wagner knows his way around a tulip, it's important to note that his only recorded experience with nuclear science comes from working in a hospital that performed nuclear medicine and, unless they treated Galactus, that doesn't involve a lot of superstring ultrascience.
"Bees...pollen...bees- My God...the LHC will destroy us all."
Get over yourself, Wagner. Plenty of unqualified smartasses warn the world about the LHC, but they're not suing anyone.
While his website is quick to point out his impressive credentials ("wikipedia science editor"), as well as remind everyone how expensive his particular brand of scientific exploration is going to cost ("We expect to encounter expenses in excess of $100,000 in this action" ), it strangely fails to mention his 2004 indictment for first-degree identity theft and fraud in Hawaii. Also missing from the website: reasonable, non-retarded evidence to support his claims about the collider. Still, Wagner believed he was going to save the world, and if that meant getting totally rich and famous in the process, Wagner was prepared to carry that weight. He truly is a hero.
Or, at least he was: the judge in the Honolulu court he filed the case in had to explain that they don't actually have jurisdiction over Switzerland.
"Exhibit A, your Honor: A map of America that doesn't feature Switzerland. I rest my case."
Since Switzerland is pretty clearly not part of this country, that ruling may not surprise you. In fairness, though, Wagner's a flower doctor, so you can't expect him to understand something as complex as geography. You can, however, still donate to Wagner and his cause, in case you either support lunatics or just plain hate real science.
What a Victory Would Imply:
That one man with a lawyer is recognized as a better expert on a field than every expert on the planet in that field put together, with a billion dollar budget, working for over twenty years. Society itself would break down as every skilled worker in the world just gives up and either goes to law school or takes up professionally hurting themselves for money. Think Mad Max meets Jackass with lawsuits instead of gasoline.

Sequoia Voting Systems sued to prevent Princeton computer scientists from studying their voting machines on the grounds that it would damage their business. Which is fair enough, because scientific reports confirming that the machines can't count and often don't turn on probably would. Election clerks ordered the study when they found that the machines had miscounted the number of voters, and since the sole function of the machines is "count the number of voters" that's kind of a serious problem.
Sequoia's ominously-titled "Vice President of Compliance/Quality/Certification" issued this statement: "We will also take appropriate steps to protect against any publication of Sequoia software, its behavior, reports [sic] regarding same or any other infringement of our intellectual property."
Vice President of Compliance/Quality/Certification."
That means we're not even allowed to talk about the voting machines and when a "Vice President of Compliance/Quality/Certification" says "appropriate steps" we get a little nervous.
What a Victory Would Imply:
That companies can sell you things and you are legally barred from complaining if they don't work, or even checking if they do. Under this framework Apple could start shipping white-painted rocks in boxes saying "iPod" and you couldn't complain. Not that the Apple fanboys who waited in line for three days to get an iStone would anyway.


There's the famous false story of the state that tried to redefine the fundamental mathematical constant pi to 3, but of course no one would ever be that stupid. Though, in Indiana in 1897, they tried to pass a law setting it at 3.2, which is only 0.2 less retarded.
House Bill 246 in the Indiana House of Representatives, introduced by representative T. Record, offered three different numbers to replace the "confusing" value of pi. Because nothing simplifies things like offering three different values for a fundamental constant. The bill was first seen by the Committee on Swamp Lands, then the Committee for Education and then the Committee for Temperance - possibly as the legislative system attempted to find someone dumb enough to deal with it.
Committee on Swamp Lands' Senior Vice President
Since the (evidently) extremely influential Committee on Swamp Lands saw no issue with the new definition, the bill actually had a chance of passing until, thankfully, a mathematician just happened to wander into the building on other business and, after checking the bill out, effectively informed those present that he wouldn't wipe his ass with the bill for fear it would miscount the number of cheeks.
What a Victory Would Imply:
Start with the collapse of Euclidean geometry and spacetime, then work up from there. Basically, Salvador Dali paintings would become still lifes and everything you know would be wrong.

And if you're okay living in a world like that, congrats on being the oldest living-person, Mr. Chairman for the Committee on Swamp Lands.

In 1988, noted immunologist Jacques Benveniste got bored with "the respect of his peers" and "scientific credibility" things and published a paper claiming that water retains the memory of useful medicines that had been dissolved in it, even when so diluted that none of the original medicine remained. This line of reasoning is vaguely reminiscent of homeopathologists, aka "those people who don't wash and sell the very expensive water." It appeared in Nature, whose Editors apparently only read as far as his name before hitting the print button.
Benveniste also claimed that this information could be digitized and transmitted by telephone. Let us restate that: He claimed that you could turn a glass of water into useful medicine by calling it on the phone.
"Yes, I still have leukemia. Yes, I drank the water. That scientist is retarded."
Not surprisingly, some scientists had a bit of a problem with this. And by "some" we mean "all," including Nobel Prize winners in physics and medicine Georges Charpak and Francois Jacob. When they pointed out that his claims were a bunch of horseshit (probably in a much more cultured turn of phrase) Benveniste sued them for libel. Despite the fact that every single experiment to replicate his Jesus-like transmogrification of water either failed or were rigged.
Luckily, Mr Benveniste's case was thrown out of court because he filed the wrong type of lawsuit (which we like to interpret as the judge reading the claim and responding, "Oh, no, you need to file this in Pretend Court. We're a real court, we work with science and humans. Have a good one.").
"No, your courtroom is in space."
What a Victory Would Imply:
That the universal cure to all your ills already dispenses from your tap (since the sea has, at one point or another, dissolved everything). Any illnesses you may think you're suffering are merely figments of your imagination, and the cure is just a phone call away.








I checked out Walter Wagner's website... it made me sob a little bit. He bases his entire argument around light being so slow that it takes 1/4 seconds to travel through the earth (just saying- the earth is not 75,000,000 kilometers in diameter- try 13,000) and then goes on to say that almost SOME theoretical things could possibly maybe be construed as dangerous.
Reply''When an astrologer is credited with a better understanding of space than NASA, it's time to turn off modern civilization, move everyone back to the caves and start over.''
ReplyI loved that one.
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Haha. Istone.
Replyand within a few months, Apple will launch the new and improved iStone 2 and somehow make even more money.
But of course. The iStone 2 is 1.5 times denser, so you get the same weight in a smaller package!
Pi being rational is, itself, highly irrational.
ReplyStop being so pirational.
See what I did there?
No!
Well that's because you are anti-pied.
So.... does homeopathy cure hypochondria?
ReplyNo, it's caused by it.
The "Vice President of Compliance/Quality/Certification" in #6 is HOT.
ReplyThere wasn't one lawsuit from a "scientific creationist" worthy of this list? I call no way.
ReplyOne scientific creationist voted this down.
This is not YouTube. Do not say that.
It should be noted that just because someone is a scientist, that doesn't mean they are correct. People make mistakes with research and experiments and almost everyone has a political or belief bias which can affect the interpretation of scientific data (often subconsciously). Have you ever seen a scientist from an environmental group ever release findings which go against that organisations ethos?
Reply Hide All See All 5 RepliesThat's a very good point. But you also have to understand that the ranting of a stamp-collector hardly qualify as ''expert rebutal'' for anything.
Criticism from other qualified scientists in the relevant field is interesting, though.
That is in a way true, but why should you take what an astrologist says compared to astrophysicists and such in #1. Just seems a tad bit better to listen to someone who's devoted so much time to a particular topic.
"It should be noted that just because someone is a scientist, that doesn't mean they are correct."
That's what great about science - it requires constant updating and peer review. It's an endless process, unlike religion and astrology etc. which take one core belief that hasn't evolved in any way since its creation, and just make s**t up to justify it.
That's certainly true. But that's not the point of the article. These are people who brought legal action to challenge a very basic, universally-accepted scientific theory or fact on incredibly spurious grounds. It might be somewhat justified to challenge a widely accepted and tested belief, as much of our received knowledge has been overturned through progress and time. But these people had completely nonsensical or nonexistent reasoning for their challenges. It doesn't matter whether or not someone's a scientist (one or two of the plaintiffs listed here could also be called as such), but it does matter if someone's a litigious idiot.
That's true enough, but bear in mind that when scientists have been shown to be incorrect, it's been by other scientists practicing science. The way to show a scientists is wrong it to try to replicate their experiments and find yourself honestly unable to produce compatible findings. Getting a court of law to rule who's right is assuredly *not* the way to go about it.
might get trashed for this but... #5 is a value derived from calculus. that's not science, it's math.
Reply Hide All See All 5 RepliesMaybe it's just semantics but at many universities the college that deal with math is often named "The Department of Mathematical Sciences".
And it can be argued that science is just applied math.
Science is applied math and math is just science with numbers. Ever heard of Pythagoras' THEOREM? As in THEORY, as in "scientific theory" as in "I'm dragging this out for too long"
@Pythagoran: Look at you, all trying to think and stuff! Look at the way you breathe in AND out!
You don't need calculus to calculate pi to any arbitrary number of digits. You might want to look up ancient Greece.
@TeabagSmith: Ancient Greeks calculated pi by successive polygonal approximations of a circle. In other words, they understood that pi is a limit of this procedure, and limits are the very first thing one learns in calculus. They also used a similar "method of exhaustion" to do simple integral problems. Greeks were awesome like that.
Anyone get an injury lawyer add at the bottom of page one?
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesI got an ad for tuition-free school. what a blatent scam
Would that be the one I'm seeing now featuring a strange CG teddy bear on crutches? I shall to be sure to call them next time any of my non-existent anthropomorphic toy buddies breaks a leg. Presumably my trillion dollar damages will be in notes issued by the Bank Of Toyland? By the way, I'm not a US citizen - is it really true that in your country, the demographic this ad is aimed at are allowed to sue anybody at all without the consent of their parents or carers?
No, it's just stupidity and cheapness. They probably snagged it from photobucket instead of hiring a model or using cgi.
#3 Dr. Ben Goldarcre isn't just some journalist. He is a fully qualified MD. He writes for newspapers and magazines to push back against anti-vaxers, homeopaths, and other pseudo-science wackos.
ReplyOk, really, the folks featured in #6 of this list, how hard is it to program a voting machine? All it has to do is add! If they could find a trustworthy person (ha!) with a piece of paper and a pencil, you have a more effecting counting mechanism than those voting machines. Hell, even my 99 cent pocket calculator can find the square-root of something while multiplying it by pi (simple, sweet, delicious, pi).
ReplyIIRC, It was the 3rd Party Antivirus Software they were running that made them no longer work.
Let's put aside for the moment the fact that trying to make pi into a rational number is stupid.
Reply Hide All See All 5 RepliesWhy would you make it 3.2? The number in the hundredths place is a 4, so you would round DOWN to 3.1.
I mean, I suppose I shouldn't expect that kind of logic from someone who wants to make pi a rational number, but still.
In certain areas of Economics to avoid rounding Errors, you round to the even number. So if it is a fraction above an odd number your round up. If it is a fraction below an odd number, you round down.
So 31.4 becomes 32. 30.7 becomes 30. It is done as a way to reduce rounding errors in certain areas. The other option is: do not do retarded things that will cause ridiculously bad rounding errors from the bloody start.
but, pi is used in circles, not money!
Coins are shaped like circles, DUH!
Math is hard.
Some of y'all obsession with pi is irrational.
0.08 less retarded, no?
ReplyI don't know if anyone's mentioned this so I'm going to.
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesWhile the Polar Bear suit is amazingly retarded and certainly should not succeed because of the noted possibilities it could have on the rest of civilization. Polar Bears aren't actually endangered. You see, Alaska only covers a very small portion of the Arctic and the organization that did the counting only counted Polar Bears in Alaska. If those Polar Bears happened to have gone somewhere else then they were considered to have died. So while Polar Bears are still living it up in Canada, Russia, and Greenland. They have apparently left Alaska, quite possibly as a result of Sarah Palin shooting at them from a helicopter.
And why in the hell do I keep capitalizing Polar Bear?
Maybe because "Polar Bear" is a proper name, not a generic one?
On the Conservation note, we still don't know much about Polar Bears, at least on their full foraging range and stuff. Also, the Arctic is mostly just vast seas of ice that melts and reforms every year. Alaska, along with Canada, Greenland and much of Russia, is supposedly where we can find Polar Bears. But because researchers could only do so much with their meager budgets, saving as much of them as they can is essential to studying the bears.
Every little bit helps, I guess. Even if the Polar Bears aren't endangered, their habitat range is the key variable that contributes to survival. One less area of land will mean an entire population dead. Kinda like kicking Native Americans out of New York, in a sense...
"Polar" might be a proper noun, but "bear" certainly is not. So it would be, "Polar bear". But I dunno.
wouldn't polar bear be a generic name since it's only talking about polar bears and not one specific bear?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that trying to conserve the polar bear population is having little to no effect on paying $4 a gallon for gas in the US. This is just a hunch, though. Sarah Palin would know a lot better than I do I guess having governed Alaska and all.
Hey guys, You remember when the LHC killed all of us? Worst day ever right?
Reply Hide All See All 7 RepliesI know! It started off pretty well, the weather was nice and I was feeling good. Then all of a sudden, BAM! I was turned into a hunk of inert matter. I couldn't help but think "Oh damn. The world just ended. LOL." Everyone else on Twitter agreed with me.
All I know was that my popcorn was popped to perfection and my car sprouted spider legs. *sigh*...time to call the exterminator.
Ugh tell me about it. I had to grab some hipster glasses and a crowbar after all these goddamn little crab things came out and ate people. Plus I hit on a chick without saying anything and I think I blew up a giant fetus. Sucked.
I remember dealing with a large amount of idiots that day... At least the illusion of still being alive is convincing enough to shut them up.
I was taking a crap and pooped Dr. Manhattan, and that my friends is when s**t got real.
IT DIDN'T LET ME FINISH MY BURRITO!!!!
We should've listened to that botanist. :(
So, there are guys in the world who replaced "common sense" with "money, money, OHHHHHH MOOOAAAAARRRRR MOOONEEEEY". Wonder, how long it will take them to sue me for that comment.
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesI'd say about 6 months, a year if they don't read Cracked, which is impossible, right?
MOAR COWBELL!
I'm goddamn suing you for insulting me you pig. You'll hear from my lawyer. I think $5 Million should cover my emotional stress from your post.
Its a sad day when MOAAAAAAARRR DAKKA!!! is replaced by MOAAAAR MONEY!!!
Just an FYI: Ben Goldacre is actually a doctor. The journalism thing is something he does when he can so Rath did not prevent him from doing his job. But he did however cost Dr. Goldacre and the Guardian a lot of money, time, effort, and grief by using the notoriously draconian and backwards libel laws in the UK, and is in fact an enormous, inhumane, greedy a*****e who should be tried for crimes against humanity.
ReplyWe need to come up with some way to dissuade idiots and self-interested a*****es from filing lawsuits like this. Maybe if the judge is offended enough by your lawsuit's stupidity/viciousness he can hang 500 hours of community service cleaning gutters or put you in stocks for a day or something.
Reply Hide All See All 5 RepliesA simple fix that actually works in most non-US countries; require that if the guy filing the lawsuit loses, he's required to pay all courtroom costs for both sides. This tends to dissuade people from filing insane lawsuits, as you risk ending up losing large amounts of money if your case isn't rock-solid.
Wait, they aren't required to do that already? Wtf...
Yeah, but what if your lawsuit ISN'T frivolous and it's you vs. Giant Corporation X? I think that would cause more problems than it would solve...
Giant Corporation X spokesman here. Your libel has been noted and you will be sued soon. Have a nice day.
Can't people counter sue?
From the distant future of 2011, I am here to declare that the Large Hadron Collider still hasn't destroyed the earth. Good luck with Transformers 2.
Reply Hide All See All 3 Replies-The Future
I'm writing from 2026. It actually did convert baryonic matter to a disastrous new phase-state; you dumbasses just didn't notice it until gay marriage was legalized. Talk about crossing the streams!
2139: Oh god, all the blood, it's in my thorax, the TEDDY BEARS ARE ATTACKING! (no noticable effects of the LHC)
What the hell man!
-Now