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People hate plot holes in movies. At least, that's what they'll tell you. But sometimes, if a movie is awesome enough, people will overlook even the most retarded gaps in reason and logic. At least, until some asshole on the Internet points them out and makes a big list of them. Enjoy: #8.
Back to the Future
The Plot: Marty McFly goes back in time, helps his parents get together, invents rock and roll... The Hole: ...and everyone promptly forgets he was ever there the minute he leaves. Nobody notices that a famous clothing brand is later named after him, nobody notices that Chuck Berry releases a song that sounds pretty similar to the one he played at the big dance, and most importantly, nobody bats an eyelid when his Mom has a kid who looks exactly like him.
Now we don't claim to know exactly what first enters the mind of a married man when his wife births a child who looks identical to their old high school boyfriend, but we're guessing it's not "time travel conspiracy." Old George was either the most oblivious, forgiving man on earth, or there were some secret resentment beatings in the McFly household.
Even more disturbing, what must his Mom have thought? The only explanation we can see making sense from her point of view is that Marty was Satan (he did invent rock and roll after all) and the whole thing's some kind of demon spawn Rosemary's Baby type deal. And no one should ever be in a position where the most plausible explanation for their situation implies that they fucked Satan.
Plus, think how chilling Marty's final remark on stage becomes given this context: "I guess you're not ready for that yet... but your kids are gonna love it." #7.
Minority Report
The Plot: Tom Cruise is convicted of a murder he hasn't committed yet, by a team of psychics called "precogs." The Hole: The precogs? They don't work. At all. We're told they predict the future but nothing they predict ever happens. If they actually predicted the future properly, they'd predict the people getting arrested, not committing murders. In the entire movie, the only precog prediction that actually comes true exactly as they said involves a kid losing a balloon. Chinese fortune cookies have a higher success rate than these guys.
But maybe they're really more telepathic than precognitive, able to see what people's intentions are. Except they can't do that, either. The movie is set in motion by the premeditated murder ball coming out with Tom Cruise's character's name on it. But he hadn't planned the murder at all. The whole point of the movie is that he had no idea who he was going to kill. The one time they do predict a murder that actually happens, they still manage to fuck it up. The loophole the movie's villain exploits is that if you commit a murder that looks identical to a previous murder, when the precogs' vision comes up they'll just think it was an echo and delete it. But that would only get rid of the image, there'd still be a new ball naming you as the murderer, which would be hard to explain. Seems like a flawed plan right? Well, it would be in any other movie.
Add that to the fact that Tom Cruise was able to continually get past the retina scanners at police headquarters by using the eyes he had when he first became a fugitive (they don't revoke your access when you get accused of murder? What, do they operate on the retina honor system?) and you have to wonder if they weren't just making shit up as they went along. #6.
The Sixth Sense
The Plot: Spoiler alert: Bruce Willis is dead. The whole time. We totally didn't see it coming and apparently neither did he. He's only able to figure out he's a ghost when he sees his wife drop his wedding ring. The Hole: But shouldn't he have figured it out before that? All the other ghosts in the film seemed to be wandering the earth, mindlessly reliving their deaths, with little awareness of the outside world at all. But ol' Bruce was just carrying on as normal, working and going about his day-to-day routine, completely unfazed by the fact no one but a small child had spoken to him in several months.
What kind of lifestyle was he living before his death that would make him fail to notice that no one could see or hear him? He assumes his wife isn't speaking to him because he's "neglecting their marriage." In the days right after he died, did he think she was mad at him for getting shot in the stomach? And what about everyone else? Does he also assume all waiters are suddenly assholes? That the girl at the supermarket check out finds him too hideous to make eye contact with? That taxis won't stop for him because he's balding? And how does he get the assignment to treat the kid anyway? Nobody hired him, being a ghost and all. Does he just approach random children in churches and start giving them free psychiatric advice? That's no way to run a business, ghost or not, and we're pretty sure it will get you thrown in jail.
#5.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
The Plot: At the end of another wondrous wizarding adventure, Harry uses a magical time-travel necklace to go back and save himself and his godfather from the evil dementors. The Hole: This is actually a problem in most movies that contain time machines. The movie treats time travel like this urgent thing: "We've made it to the past! Now we've only got a few minutes to go back and stop the dementors!" No you don't, you have as much time as you need. It's fucking time travel. If you mess up, just go back and try again.
They also seem to feel that they have to do it immediately, that there's no time to wait. Of course there's time to wait, you've got a goddamn time machine. Do it tomorrow, do it in ten years. You already know you've succeeded, you were there when it happened. It's actually the only situation you could be in where failure is impossible. It's the least suspenseful thing imaginable, yet they treat it as the nail-biting climax of the movie.
We're picking on Harry Potter especially for this because after they use the time machine that one time, that was it. For the rest of the saga, the entire wizarding world is under siege from a magical Hitler, and they never again find the time travel useful? Despite all the people who die in the Harry Potter series (and post Azkaban, they start killing them off like it's a Friday the 13th movie) he never goes back and saves any of them? Selfish prick. |
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Once again, there isn't a plot hole in "Minority Report", the supposed hole is the whole point of the movie (albeit not communicated effectively).....the Precogs CANNOT read the future accurately or precisely, yet a dystopic futuristic police state uses them like they are completely reliable machines, and harshly punishes its citizens solely based on their jumbled thoughts. That's the point. Right there. Fear Big Brother. Don't dissect precognition as if it's a real thing, it's not, AND THAT'S THE POINT.
@ Saber-Scorpion:
This article is assuming the eternalism view of time, which is one of the more commonly accepted. It states that all of time; past, present, and future exist at once. A time traveler would be able to affect the past or future, but not change it.
Harry Potter is a good example of this. The characters, upon time traveling, affect the outcome of the story, but don't change it. The difference is subtle, but important. Think of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, when they have to break into the police station. They are able to assist themselves from the future without having actually succeeded yet. This is because they later travel from the future to the present to affect the changes they need. They change the way things WOULD have occurred, not the way they DID occur.
As for Minority Report, the paradox you describe, that the murder wouldn’t have occurred unless they had predicted it, is in fact not a problem. Think of future predictions as time-traveling information. It can affect the past (or present in this case) but not change it.
Now, the murder of Leo Crowe is not truly premeditated. Tom Cruise does say that he has though about what he would do to the man who took his son, implying murder, but that is not the same as the detailed vision shown by the pre-cogs, just the vague concept of killing him for revenge. And as it is later revealed, Crowe wasn’t the man who killed Tom’s son; so that premeditation didn’t apply to him at all, save for the few moments between Tom entering the room and when he decides not to kill Crowe.
Because the police generally prevent the murders, and even Crowe’s death happens differently than predicted, it is fair to assume that the pre-cogs do not see the future. At best, they only see a possible future. (This requires a different model to time, more of a multi-verse in which timelines are constantly diverging, allowing for multiple possible futures. See the Many Worlds Theory.) But this alone proves that the pre-cogs predictions cannot be trusted to any reliable degree, and fall far short of the “shadow of a doubt” required to lock somebody in jail for a crime (or possibility of a crime.)
I know that is kind of the result of the movie. They show that the pre-cogs CAN be wrong. The problem is, in reality, they are almost ALWAYS wrong. The only way their powers would work as described is if they had some sort of combination of telepathy and precognition that allowed them to read a person’s intentions at some time in the future, presumably moments before being arrested. However, I think that still constitutes a plot hole as that is not the ability described.
Can someone tell me how it is possible in the movie 300, the narrator knows what happens in the final battle between the Spartan army left behind and the remains of the Persian army? I'm quite sure that he was sent away the night before, and since all the Spartans got killed in that last sequence, how the hell did he know what happened? All the Spartans got killed, so I'm sure no one left the battle to tell the story, beside the Persians. And if i was them, i wouldn't like to talk about it... seeing as their got their butts kicked by a tiny army (compared to theirs)
So just raising a little question there... Seemed like the right place to do it
Minority Report does have some plot holes... but not the main ones you guys mentioned. Don't you get that the precogs only predicted POSSIBLE futures, which precrime then tried to PREVENT from happening? Your approach is to future prediction is very fatalistic, whereas the movie hinges on the fact that the future can be changed. You need to fix your thinking there.
Also, the thing about Tom Cruise planning to murder Leo Crow was explained when he said, "Every day for the last eight years, I've thought about two things: what my son would look like if he were alive today, and what I would do if I ever found the man who took him." So obviously he's been plotting this murder for years now.
The real plot hole was this: How would the precogs have predicted a future murder that could never have happened UNLESS the precogs predicted it? It's a time paradox!
There's also a time paradox in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: at several points, Harry and his friends would have been captured or killed if they had not been able to travel through time, but they could never have traveled through time unless they had survived to the end of the movie to do so! It just doesn't hold up to logic.
wait a minute... covering up the existence of the Jedi creates a plot hole that is just as big. There are supposed to be thousands of planets that are part of the Republic of who employ the Jedi as policemen (sort of). All the inhabitants of those planets must know about the Jedi. How do you cover up their existence from all those trillion or quadrillion people? I guess the Emporer and Vader had a really busy 18 years of performing mind tricks.
Anyway, I realize the Empire is trying to destroy the credibility of the Jedi. But to cover up its existence is a little far-fetched. Ok, so maybe the general in EP. IV was using the word "ancient" figuratively. Maybe I am just overthinking this thing.
Actually thalliadruid... they never told Luke that his father was a Jedi, they told him that his father was a pilot on a spice freighter.
They refer to the jedi as an ancient religion because they are supposed to cover up its existence entirely. did you not watch the end of episode 3? you know, where all the jedi (minus yoda and obi-wan) get brutally murdered? not to mention anakins whole conversion to the dark side was on the premises that the jedi were weak and didn't use their powers to the fullest. the whole point of his conversion was to save padme from her "inevitable death", which was actually only caused because of his conversion. paradox aside, it would seem to anakin that he couldn't save her because of his fight with obi-wan. obi-wan, considered one of the most powerful jedi, got in the way. don't you think he'd be a little bit bitter about the jedi ruining his little plan?
just saying.
i am a "star wars nerd" but even i admit the gaping plot holes in the series. another one that sticks out in my mind is created by "revenge of the sith". the end of the jedi occurs at the same time luke is born and in "a new hope" maybe 16 to 18 years has passed (judging by luke's age). one of the generals on the death star, who is old enough to be vader's grandfather, refers to the jedi as an ancient religion. in fact, all of the officers looked old enough to have been alive during the jedi era. yet they act as if everything was nothing more that a david copperfield magic show. i guess we can start writing about communism and the cold war right after the chapter about the roman empire.
"Luke is "hidden" on Darth Vader's home planet of Tatooine, using the name of Skywalker and living with his Uncle Ben. And for some reason, Darth Vader, the Dark Lord of the Sith can't find him?"
I always wondered about that one myself. That and the fact they didn't raise him as their own but instead freely spoke of his father the great Jedi. If they wanted him to be a Jedi, they should have gotten him training sooner with Ben. If they wanted to protect him, they should have changed their family name to Dorku and warned him to stay away from old guys named Ben because they are all schizophrenic pedophiles who refer to their penises as light sabers and will want you to play with theirs. Oh, and all girls from Alderaan have syphilis. I'm just saying. Especially ones named Leia.
Actually the Sixth Sense plothole was PART of the plot, as the ghosts were said to be unaware of their fate AND they only see what they want to see. Willis was different as he realized he was a ghost by dealing with ghost.
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Minority Report is a 'classic' movie? Now there's a plot hole for you.
Star Wars is a generational thing, homes. If you grew up with it and connected with the themes and mythology, then they were the ultimate escape.
If you're like 18 and the only real Star Wars experience you have are those corny-ass prequels, then it would seem like some Eragon, Dungeons & Dragons, Sky Captain s**t.
f**k it, I still want a real lightsaber to cut through law enforcement and SWAT police when they come take me to Sing Sing.
damn if you people are so defensive about star wars, please move out of your moms basent and get a real job..
So...on the subject of star wars, a book exists, called shadows of the empire, which explains the period of time between episode V and VI. Luke trains and makes his own lightsaber, the green one. it's interesting, read it
Uh, no... sorry. A) One can hardly cite Bruce Willis' failure to recognize his "ghost status" in "The Sixth Sense" as a plot hole. Willis is a GHOST. We therefore do not know what his existence is really like--in fact, scene to scene he appears to simply "come into existence"--if you notice there is little continuation from one scene to the next (i.e., it's not like we're following Willis through a day-to-day existence, but rather that we're seeing him in bits and pieces). Clearly, it could simply be that he winks in and out of "cognizance" and is never aware of the lack of continuity from one moment he's there to the next. He could, in fact, imagine that his daily life is normal, that he got up in the morning, got dressed, spoke to his wife, went to work, came home, ate dinner and went to bed--when in fact NONE of this is actually happening. Simple. Not a plot hole--just takes a little imagination.
B) Neither is Charles Foster Kane's last word ("rosebud") a plot hole. C'mon for chrissakes! This movie is 68 years old! Do you really think no one would have noticed this by now? It's quite simple---the nurse heard Kane speak---obviously she was right outside the door and enters the seen just as he drops the snowdome. Okay, sure, we're led to believe he does little more than whisper, and she's on the other side of an oak door.... but there's far bigger plot holes to expose than a minor bit of artistic license like THAT.
I thought the Minority Report plot hole was grasping at straws. It's not the greatest movie ever made, but the contradiction of the precogs "predicting" a future that never happens seems more like "an idea" in the movie rather than "a mistake" in the movie. Also, I'm a Cinema Studies student and trust me, outside of the Academy constantly blowing itself, no one really thinks Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever made. I think Orson Welles was brilliant, and Kane is truly an incredible accomplishment considering what the atmosphere of Hollywood was in the 1940s, but I could name a few Welles films alone that are better than Kane. So next time you have a conversation with a critic and he does suggest that Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever made, you have my permission to kick the s**t out of that ignorant ass.
"Lucas didn't actually direct Episode V."
...Uh, right, but he /wrote/ it. Directors hardly ever also write the screenplay.
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How has noone mentioned Independence Day? I mean the aliens are mac compatible. And the alien fighter craft couldn't even keep up with Will Smiths jet but can get into space and to the mothership in a manner of seconds. And why does everyone look at Randy Quaid like he's f*****g crazy when he says he was abducted by aliens? Really? They're currently taking over our planet. I'm pretty sure they exist.
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