6 Great Action Heroes (Who Should Be Convicted of Murder)
There's a reason action movies don't zoom in on the awesome explosions close enough to see the dozens of innocent burn victims in the vicinity. Nobody wants to get dragged down by the plight of these nobodies.
But still, some action heroes take the collateral damage (and lack of concern for it) to a level that blurs the line between hero and villain, and probably wouldn't have looked so good in a court of law.

If you ask any Matrix fan about their favorite part of the film, their answer will invariably involve Keanu Reeves's breathtaking performance as Neo. From the inspiring "I know kung fu" speech to his tender and heartfelt "whoa" monologue, his brilliant and multifaceted portrayal made Neo a compelling symbol of humanity at its best, alive and vibrant in a world dominated by oppressive machines.
Also, it was totally awesome when he killed all those guys in slow-motion.
So What's the Problem?
So when Neo's mentor Morpheus gets captured by the bad guys, Neo responds by arming himself with an arsenal larger than that of most developing nations, slaughtering a cluster of security guards before they can even draw their guns, before dropping a bomb on the ground floor of the building just in case there were a few errant cockroaches that weren't killed in the earlier carnage.
Wachowski brothers fans have noted the deliberate parallels between the messianic Neo and the Biblical story of the moneychangers in the temple, in which Christ pulled out a Beretta and killed about 50 security guards.
The thing is, it's explained early in the movie that there are bad guys who are entirely computer-generated (the "Agents") and then there are regular people who, when they get shot in the Matrix, die in real life. And those security guards were the latter.
Yet, for some reason it's played so that Neo is totally free from any guilt over killing a bunch of people, instead of just generating a helicopter and grabbing Morpheus from the top floor. You know, like they wind up doing anyway.

Or, if that wasn't an option, instead of walking in with machine guns, show up with canisters of gas that would render everyone unconscious. Sure it wouldn't have looked nearly as awesome as the guns, but at least it wouldn't have felt as wasteful (of both human life and ammo). So at the end of the day the lesson is apparently that it doesn't matter how many civilians you kill as long as you make sure that you look as cool as possible while doing it.
Of course, there's also the rationale that Neo was fighting for the greater good of freeing humanity from the Matrix. And thanks to the sacrifice he forced those security guards to make, their families could now be free to starve in a filthy underground city while being relentlessly pursued by killer robots.

They're superheroes, they're in a summer action movie, it's sort of assumed we in the audience are going to be on their side. It helps that Jessica Alba is on that side too.
So What's the Problem?
Literally every single problem in this entire movie can be traced directly to the Fantastic Four's general incompetence. Don't believe us? Just take the scene when the Thing, in a bold act of heroism, saves a man from being hit by a car by causing a massive car accident that almost certainly killed the driver, and killed him in a way that his widow will never be able to adequately explain.

It gets better. In order to distract the crowd that has gathered at the accident site, the Four decide to spark a huge explosion. Amazingly, this well thought-out plan turns out catastrophically and the resulting blast nearly kills everyone on the bridge.

There's probably a deleted scene in which Mr. Fantastic attempts to pull a kitten out of a tree and winds up causing a nuclear meltdown.
You know, you never see Batman doing stuff like this, and he doesn't even have three superpowered teammates to pitch in. And at least when the Hulk damages property, he's doing it on purpose.
When the Fantastic Four finally confront their nemesis Doctor Doom for the heroic cause of saving their own asses, the only reason they prevail is that these heroic underdogs outnumber the villain 4-1.
The Fantastic Four do learn their lesson though, and in the sequel they basically step back and let the Silver Surfer save the world for them, probably saving countless innocent lives in the process, though not as many as they'd have saved if they'd just stayed home from the beginning.


By the time of Alien Resurrection's release, Ellen Ripley was already one of the most beloved characters in science fiction history, following an epic arc from an escape from the first vicious alien, to her fierce battle with an alien army and their queen, all the way to her final confrontation with a single alien puppy.
So What's the Problem?
In a revolutionary new direction for the alien series, in part four Ripley and her unruly crew of extras are trapped in outer space with a swarm of aliens. When confronted with the problem of how to destroy them, our heroes carefully consider their options and decide that the best course of action would be to crash the ship into earth. After all, if you have to die, you might as well take out as many innocent bystanders as possible.
Of course, they manage to kill the main alien by blasting it into the vacuum of space (didn't see that coming did you?) which means that they basically blew up who knows how many people on the ground for no reason at all, other than maybe to justify a special effects budget.

Joss Whedon's script doesn't exactly help make Ripley more sympathetic. While excessively clever dialog might be tolerable coming from the teenagers on Buffy, glib one-liners probably aren't the best way to inform someone that they have been infected with a horrific parasite that will soon burrow its way out of their chest, killing them in the most agonizing way possible.








The original James Bond (from the novels) was supposed to be a callous killer with a complete disregard for human life. More of an anti-hero than a hero, non-chalantly doing whatever it takes to get the job done.
ReplyIn the book.... well, really, I dunno why I'm even gracing the film with a mention here, but.... In the book, V's torture of Evey is "explained" by his conversation with her after, and you feel that, although he's a nutcase, and morally dubious, you can sort-of see his point. This speech was severely stupidised in the film, although the whole film was such a crime against intelligence it's hardly even the worst bit.
ReplyIn the book, Evey was a 16-year-old girl who worked in a match factory and lived in 1 room. In the film, she's a 26-year-old who works in the media, the VERY INSTRUMENT OF OPPRESSION! And she's hardly innocent, when in the book she's completely innocent, necessarily.
One final crime was in the rape near the beginning. They went to great lengths to point out how ugly, greasy and unhygeinic one of the rapists was. Because obviously it's MUCH worse to be raped by someone unattractive. If he'd put on a bit of aftershave and combed his hair, she might not have had to bathe in bleach for 6 months afterward. There was also the impression that this was a "rogue" group of police, that the rest of the police were mostly the honest decent sort of police you tend to get in totalitarian states.
Most people in totalitarian states are honest and decent.
If you don't believe that. better not visit any recently-democratised countries, because those are all the exact same people.
The POLICE in totalitarian states, however, are usually corrupt and have the main job of propping up the government and stamping on democracy-lovin' dissidents. The general populace may or may not be lovely but my point is about the police.
In Fantastic Four, there's a scene where the Thing pulls the (unharmed) driver out of the wrecked truck. And "decided" to spark an explosion? I don't remember that, but I'm not sure I want to watch the movie again to find out.
ReplyI was pleased that you acknowledged that V was supposed to be morally ambiguous in the graphic novel.However,you did fumble #1 anyway.Half of the movie is spent trying to track down and capture V,so you can't say that he wasn't convicted for murder when he should have been.And V tortured Evey Hammond because he wanted her to live without fear--they say as much in the movie.He tortured her to make her stronger.Again,in the graphic novel he's deliberately morally ambiguous,but they do explain that it wasn't just cold-blooded torture to convert her.
ReplyWait a tick! James Bond didn't knock the guy off the girder in Casino Royale! The villain fecking dropped kicked him!
ReplyYou'd have a hard time convicting some of these people for murder. They were killed in the course of actions you identify.
Replythat wasnt Ripley that was Alien hybrid clone#8
ReplyInteresting idea about the Matrix, but it does lead to larger questions. For example, I don't think anyone would argue that defeating Nazi Germany was a bad idea, but it's also pretty clear that not every German was a hard-core National Socialist. Lots of German soldiers and civilians were killed just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or didn't really have a choice in the matter, or didn't have the ability to make an informed choice. Is killing the security guards less moral than killing a Nazi soldier who was brainwashed by the Reich from birth, or was drafted to fight for a cause he didn't believe in, or disliked Hitler but wanted to defend and glorify his homeland?
ReplyWars are morally complex things, and I don't think there's any doubt that the struggle between Zion and the machines was a war.
PS, the helicopter wasn't "generated" - I don't think it was ever suggested that the insurgents could spontaneously create things inside the Matrix. The helicopter was already there, on the roof - they just used it.
They could find a helicopter simply by looking on the computer, upload instructions on how to fly it, and steal it easier than you stealing a candy bar from 7-11. Either way, I think they did more than suggest it. They flat out said in the first film that they could load and generate ANYTHING they need, from clothes, to cars, to guns. That's how Trinity got the motorcycle she jumped off the roof in Reloaded, and how they got the bomb they blew up the building with in the scene mentioned from the first film.
Killing Germans helped the war effort. Shooting in sleeping gas wouldn't hurt Zion's cause except for the very small risk of Neo throwing the sleeping Morpheus into the helicopter and missing.
"bad guys who are entirely computer-generated" ... The Agents move around possessing people, they don't ever have their own bodies.
ReplyWhen Trinity shoots Jones on the roof, it's the helicopter pilot we see falling to the ground. When a dozen copies of Smith are fighting Neo, Smith steps on that tomato because the woman he's just taken over had dropped her groceries.
V was a straight up villain in the comics, the whole point being his vendetta against the government just happened to benefit the people.
ReplyBond has a license to do all that killing.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesHis license wouldn't really apply in an embassy, foreign embassies are technically part of foreign countries and most countries are not known for their willingness to allow handsome British agents to attack and kill their civilians/officials without legal/political recourse. So in reality he'd be humiliating his government, getting fired and probably starting a war.
The embassy doesn't actually matter. He kills people in foreign countries, too. It's not just a license to kill within the borders of Great Britain. He just has blanket permission from the British government to kill people in order to accomplish his missions.
Who cares?? It was an awesome scene! Anyway, he didn't push the guy off the girder earlier on, the villain drop-kicked him off!
Uh, they didnt crash the ship into the earth, they crashed it into the atmosphere by changing its approach vector. If you look at the ship in that scene and when it hits it looks huge compared to earth (bigger than the moon). They even say it in the movie that it would be destroyed in earths atmosphere.
Reply Hide All See All 3 Repliesso are most asteroids, but that hardly makes them not dangerous
The point of destroying the ship was to kill all the other Aliens still on board - you know, the ones that brought Ripley to the Queen to make the hybrid in the first place. The idea through the whole series was that the Aliens were a power humanity desired but couldn't control, and that would ultimately be the means of our own destruction. No matter how many were killed by the crash, it was better than letting the Alien loose onto a planet teeming with potential hosts.
Funny article, but a few potential gaps in reasoning.
Granted they probably served 'the greater good' by crashing it into Earth or Earth's atmosphere, killing all the aliens and preventing a possible human extinction
But it also raises questions as to why they didn't crash it into the moon instead... or maybe Mars.
Either way, I still love V For Vendetta.
ReplyHmmm. In my world it's V for vagina.
V wasn't necessarily a hero. He was an anti-hero, so it's ok.
ReplyAntiheroes are uncharismatic heroes, not a character who would rather destroy an entire gov't than assassinate the (perhaps few) corrupt officials inside it. V just wanted revenge, and that does not make him a hero. Evey was the hero.
In the book, and I prefer not to even remember the film, but I'm sure it was the same, it was THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT who were corrupt. By definition. They were totalitarian fascists, and that's BAD!
It's not a matter of picking out a few bad apples. Anyway... forget the film entirely, read the book and judge it in it's own rights. This is a government that set up death camps for non-whites, q***r people, and anyone with political views. That's not very nice. It's not revenge at all, V views it more like necessary surgery.
"There is no spoon."
ReplyI think that about covers it.
In Casino Royale the guy Bond was chasing kicked a worker holding an acetylene torch off a girder which is what caused the explosion, not Bond ramming into him.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesI was going to say the same thing! Also the soldiers are firing automatic weapons at him. What the f**k is he supposed to do? Tell me Cracked.
The soldiers are firing automatic weapons at him... AFTER he storms into a foreign embassy with a gun? Nope, he's still in the wrong there.
I just whinged about that twice myself!
The Transformers decision was based on the fact that not only was the cube thing in the military base, so was the leader of the Decepticons, and the freezing stuff they'd thrown on him was sabotaged. When you have a giant, evil robot looking for something small in the same base he's in, most people would opt to move the small thing, rather than try to move the rapidly-thawing BIG robot.
Reply Hide All See All 3 RepliesNot saying the move to the city part was all that bright, but moving the cube was at least plausible.
yeah, because blowing the frozen super-robot was totally out of the question
Or you know not moving it through the city.
Prestorjon, I find the fact that your comment lacks the word "up" in the fourth position makes it incredibly hilarious.
Also in V... how about the fact taht every other country on the planet seems to be a nihilistic dystopia, while England is stable and comfortable. Think about the family watching TV and chuckling at Stephen Fry's show. They had a nice, comfortable house, and only ahd to deal with Suttler's picture above their mantle. The government can be as evil as it wants in its origins, the population of Britain is safe and comfortable. V is evil evil evil evil for plunging the only stable society on earth into Anarchy. England Prevails indeed!
Reply Hide All See All 4 RepliesWhy do you think that every other country is in trouble? America had enough money to send aid to the UK.
(Oh. You were listening to The Voice of London? And you believed his propaganda? I see.)
I thought America was being torn apart by civil war in the movie?
The movie was a terrible adaption of the book, which did a much better job of showing quite clearly why the government had to go. No little girls watching comedy on TV with mummy and daddy. Although there were little girls in a government-run child prostitution ring, to keep important officials happy.
Book >>>> Movie, once again.
"The government can be as evil as it wants in its origins, the population of Britain is safe and comfortable."
Even if that society lived under 1984-like conditions?
ahhhhhh the greater good gets mentioned alot here , even though the thing that's always standing in the path of the greater good is humans
ReplyI thought I remembered that in Alien, they aimed the ship for a desolate wasteland on Earth. Also, I'm quite sure the scene where she told the guy about his parasite was supposed to emphasize her character's non-human quality... remind us that it wasn't really Ripley.
ReplyIn the Matrix, it had already been covered in the "woman in the red dress" simulation, that anyone in the matrix was not to be treated with mercy, since they were all potential agents, and otherwise were still trapped as power generating mind-slaves.